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Errrr, that’s a question, he doesn’t do those.@Walterp So you are in favour of the creation of a European Federal State?
Full on Super state, the Euro etc etc everything, is what Walter wants, at odd's with what his fellow Welshmen voted for, just to spite Westminster.@Walterp So you are in favour of the creation of a European Federal State?
Thank you for the kind remarks.
Someone once observed that farmers have more in common with farmers from other countries than they do with their own fellow-citizens. It is true, certainly, but what does it imply?
I don't think farmers realise that it isn't me who is different, but them - obvious, when you think about it.
How many other industries are there where enterprises are acquired largely by inheritance, supported generously by the European public purse, and which have quite such an inflated sense of their own value?
And how many appreciate just how lucky they are, I wonder?
I accept the majority decision of 1975.I used to like Walters posts the first time around, didn't always agree with them but they were thought provoking but now he just comes across as a bitter old man. The idea that farmers deserve all that's coming to them for daring to vote against their best interests and for their country's good represents all that is wrong with the modern world. Our Grandfathers signed up to their deaths, sometimes even lying about their age, prepared to die for their country. Our fathers worked for a pittance post war as they felt it was their duty to help feed their families in hard times. If we had a war now we would be knackered because all people are interested in is themselves. After the referendum result I rather naively thought our MP's would get together and work towards the best outcome for our country but they seem happy to ignore the parliamentary oath and would be quite happy to see us all suffer just so that they can say it serves you right. It's nothing short of treason in my eyes and the likes of Walter coming on here, along with others who can't accept a majority decision need to wind it in. I was leaning towards leave but not too bothered either way until Cameron said we need to stay in Europe and change it from within and then an unelected drunk from a one horse country like Luxembourg said nothing will change. That is probably the reason we are where we are now, I for one realised that this is our one chance to control our destiny and I'm glad I voted as I did, however it affects me.
I very much doubt English farmers are unique in being unaware of this, indeed I’d lay odds that Scottish/Welsh farmers will be equally unaware. ...............although many probably not surprised by the revelation.Devolution of power is enshrined in the EU as a founding principle. It is the latter part of the 'ever closer union' phrase.
That English farmers can be unaware of these facts - and the implications that they carry - shows that they do indeed have their heads inserted where facts and evidence are not readily available.
Instead, they are in close contact with their gut.
Well 32,500 posts by you so far is pretty impressive Clive.
It makes my contribution look positively poor.
But I note I have the same 'Trophy points' as you - 113.
So I'm just intrigued to know what I've done to get them?
Are they like nectar points?
They mean nothing really, just a quirk of the forum softrware
You can trade 99 points for a company page though to reward those that contribute to the forum, maybe you should trade yours for a NFU Page ?
Walterp's Right of Reply:
I think it's correct that the ethos among English farmers is outside the contemporary mainstream. Beyond debate, really - the references to 'yeomen farmer' and 'treason' are powerful arguments, alongside the rest of the illusion that - against the evidence of the UK's post-War history - this country is better than other European States. The evidence suggests otherwise.
Depressingly often, they have their heads collectively inserted up their arse. When, eventually, they remove their heads from there, they will find that we are no longer in the Middle Ages.
I wonder who they will blame when they discover this?
I understand that you are pro EU and that is fair enough but this is simply not true. The fact is social side of the EEC was played down and it was sold as a trading block, the EEC may have wanted close integration but Ted Heath knew this would not wash in the UK so the EEC was sold as a trading block and once we could see the way things were going the bitterness towards the EEC and later the EU intensified on the belief that they were changing the rules. They weren't which is why I say we were sold a pup.I'm saddened that you believe this.
The EEC referendum was marked by bitter ideological divisions precisely because we had been informed that we were applying to join a political project. Who can forget Enoch Powell crossing the floor on this point of principle? Or the arguments over sovereignty that then ensued?
Devolution of power is enshrined in the EU as a founding principle. It is the latter part of the 'ever closer union' phrase.
That English farmers can be unaware of these facts - and the implications that they carry - shows that they do indeed have their heads inserted where facts and evidence are not readily available.
Instead, they are in close contact with their gut.
Lets run a book on that happening !They mean nothing really, just a quirk of the forum softrware
You can trade 99 points for a company page though to reward those that contribute to the forum, maybe you should trade yours for a NFU Page ?
Egos would be hugeI have this theory -
You will never see Walter P, Clive, Hollywell Farmer and BossFarmer in the same room together.
TSS
They mean nothing really, just a quirk of the forum softrware
You can trade 99 points for a company page though to reward those that contribute to the forum, maybe you should trade yours for a NFU Page ?
Could I use them to buy Llamados a 'Get out of jail card ?
Trouble is, Llamedos was known to most of us as a helpful and informative moderator. Don’t know what went wrong but it seems almost inconceivable the situation that they’ve got kicked out.If you knew the facts behind it I’m fairly sure you would find better ways to spend them
I understand that you are pro EU and that is fair enough but this is simply not true. The fact is social side of the EEC was played down and it was sold as a trading block, the EEC may have wanted close integration but Ted Heath knew this would not wash in the UK so the EEC was sold as a trading block and once we could see the way things were going the bitterness towards the EEC and later the EU intensified on the belief that they were changing the rules. They weren't which is why I say we were sold a pup.
What about the Welsh farmers?I'm saddened that you believe this.
The EEC referendum was marked by bitter ideological divisions precisely because we had been informed that we were applying to join a political project. Who can forget Enoch Powell crossing the floor on this point of principle? Or the arguments over sovereignty that then ensued?
Devolution of power is enshrined in the EU as a founding principle. It is the latter part of the 'ever closer union' phrase.
That English farmers can be unaware of these facts - and the implications that they carry - shows that they do indeed have their heads inserted where facts and evidence are not readily available.
Instead, they are in close contact with their gut.
Could I use them to buy Llamados a 'Get out of jail card ?
If you knew the facts behind it I’m fairly sure you would find better ways to spend them
Your not the only one to think that....Trouble is, Llamedos was known to most of us as a helpful and informative moderator. Don’t know what went wrong but it seems almost inconceivable the situation that they’ve got kicked out.
I’m sure you’re not going to tell us what went wrong but I have to wonder why not, is there any harm in the truth coming out?