Warburtons Contract

[ajd132]

Being green eyed is not going to change anything.
Dont you run a Quadtrack,Lexion ,Horsch are you not being hypocritical?

I’m not being green eyed at all, people are welcome to do what they want.
I was pointing out that subsidising business through other income is hobby farming. The farming must stand on its own two feet if you want to call it anything other than a hobby.
Yes I have all those things, but we are solely a farming business working on mortgaged, rented and contract farmed land. There has been no outside money from anything ploughed into the farming business to sustain it.

 

[lloyd]

I’m not being green eyed at all, people are welcome to do what they want.
I was pointing out that subsidising business through other income is hobby farming. The farming must stand on its own two feet if you want to call it anything other than a hobby.
Yes I have all those things, but we are solely a farming business working on mortgaged, rented and contract farmed land. There has been no outside money from anything ploughed into the farming business to sustain it.

Ok but your farming has probably received X amount in subsidy in the last 20
plus years,did that not count?
Do you think you would be in the same place now if you hadn't used that money
to grow your business but spent it at a casino in Monoco instead?

 

[ajd132]

Ok but your farming has probably received X amount in subsidy in the last 20
plus years,did that not count?
Do you think you would be in the same place now if you hadn't used that money
to grow your business but spent it at a casino in Monoco instead?

Subsidy/grants whatever is part of the financials of the agricultural industry at the moment. everyone gets the same. That’s going and I’m not worried.
It’s completely different to using money from a different industry or business to then subsidise farming.

 

[Clive]

Why not? If the farmer's true talent is growing a crop but not marketing then why not outsource that? You just have to choose carefully who you get to advise you or which pool manager etc. If you are part of a bigger business you'll have specialists to produce, plan, market, engineer, accountants etc. Farmers have to be all of those and not all are good at everything.

We all do mostly outsource but its seem it's rather frowned upon to ever question if we get value for the many, many millions we collectively spend with AHDB / NFU etc

 

[lloyd]

Subsidy/grants whatever is part of the financials of the agricultural industry at the moment. everyone gets the same. That’s going and I’m not worried.
It’s completely different to using money from a different industry or business to then subsidise farming.

Subsidies /Grant's are just being repackaged into payments that benefit
the enviroment .
Money makes money and I dont see any difference using finance from other sources
to grow an agriculture business faster than it would be able to do on its own.
You still haven't answered the question would you be in the same place if
your business hadnt been subsidised?

 

[Clive]

Being green eyed is not going to change anything.
Dont you run a Quadtrack,Lexion ,Horsch are you not being hypocritical?

not sure what choice of machinery has to do with anything?

I'm pretty sure he just tries to run the lowest fixed cost structure business he can - that can be done in various ways, big kit and low labour or small kit and high labour

from any benchmarking etc I've seen the low labour models usually are the cheapest, especially on larger farms

 

[ajd132]

Subsidies /Grant's are just being repackaged into payments that benefit
the enviroment .
Money makes money and I dont see any difference using finance from other sources
to grow an agriculture business faster than it would be able to do on its own.
You still haven't answered the question would you be in the same place if
your business hadnt been subsidised?

That’s kind of an irrelevant question. The whole wider agricultural industry is based around having subsidies, everyone gets the same, it’s entwined within the industry.
My point was that using outside money to prop up a loss making farm business is hobby farming.

 

[ajd132]

not sure what choice of machinery has to do with anything?

I'm pretty sure he just tries to run the lowest fixed cost structure business he can - that can be done in various ways, big kit and low labour or small kit and high labour

from any benchmarking etc I've seen the low labour models usually are the cheapest, especially on larger farms

Yep big kit, low labour.

 

[lloyd]

not sure what choice of machinery has to do with anything?

I'm pretty sure he just tries to run the lowest fixed cost structure business he can - that can be done in various ways, big kit and low labour or small kit and high labour

from any benchmarking etc I've seen the low labour models usually are the cheapest, especially on larger farms

Who said it did ,it was a reply to his previous post stating that spending
a lot of money from outside farming on expensive gear to go contact farming was pointless.

 

[ajd132]

Who said it did ,it was a reply to his previous post stating that spending
a lot of money from outside farming on expensive gear was pointless.

It’s pointless if you are propping up a loss making business.

 

[lloyd]

It’s pointless if you are propping up a loss making business.

Perhaps they are not propping up a loss making business
but making a profitable farming company more efficient.

 

[JCfarmer]

lesson is do not really on others to do your marketing, especially when we already apparently pay for it through AHDB etc

So you do your marketing and get a great contract for growing 11% protein wheat but because its not french it bakes like 'je ne sais quoi' but you manage to sort that by talking in french to it for long enough.
But then a year like this year you haven't got much wheat to combine have you??? You can't forfill your contract, so to cover this you start a small coop with a group of farmers growing for this contract to cover your backside and then knowing you it might well turn in to TFF Growers with the same or similar terms to openfield.
Hell I might even join TFFG
Or BFG, British Farmer Growers the Big Friendly Giant!
Now thats a company name!
Just saying

 

[ajd132]

Perhaps they are not propping up a loss making business
but making a profitable farming company more efficient.

That’s fine. But i suspect for many it is the other way round

 

[Brisel]

We all do mostly outsource but its seem it's rather frowned upon to ever question if we get value for the many, many millions we collectively spend with AHDB / NFU etc

Not in TFF!

 

[Clive]

So you do your marketing and get a great contract for growing 11% protein wheat but because its not french it bakes like 'je ne sais quoi' but you manage to sort that by talking in french to it for long enough.
But then a year like this year you haven't got much wheat to combine have you??? You can't forfill your contract, so to cover this you start a small coop with a group of farmers growing for this contract to cover your backside and then knowing you it might well turn in to TFF Growers with the same or similar terms to openfield.
Hell I might even join TFFG
Or BFG, British Farmer Growers the Big Friendly Giant!
Now thats a company name!
Just saying

at the moment I pay the AHDB to do the marketing for me (no choice) We are better to market collectively as it gives us the bigger budgets BUT it clearly needs to be used better it's seems


*like the name though ........ might just go register that

 

[JCfarmer]

at the moment I pay the AHDB to do the marketing for me (no choice) We are better to market collectively as it gives us the bigger budgets BUT it clearly needs to be used better it's seems


*like the name though ........ might just go register that

Marketing collectively now thats different but who will run it?
We don't have the time, share holder meetings again it is.

 

[average farmer]

That’s kind of an irrelevant question. The whole wider agricultural industry is based around having subsidies, everyone gets the same, it’s entwined within the industry.
My point was that using outside money to prop up a loss making farm business is hobby farming.

why does hobby farming have to be making a loss? Borrowing money from other off farm enterprises makes good sense to me , better than borrowing from the bank or finance company.

 

[ajd132]

why does hobby farming have to be making a loss? Borrowing money from other off farm enterprises makes good sense to me , better than borrowing from the bank or finance company.

If you are subsidising a loss making business with outside money you are hobby farming. If you are borrowing to make a good profitable business like you say then it’s fine

 

[bobk]

If you are subsidising a loss making business with outside money you are hobby farming. If you are borrowing to make a good profitable business like you say then it’s fine

Is James Dyson a hobby farmer ?

 

[Renaultman]

Enterprises should stand on their own. Spending money from other enterprises to subsidise farming is a hobby.

True but the farm can be part of the marketing strategy. Although the farm should be able to stand on it's own 2 feet raised/grown on our own farm is always a bonus.