Watery mouth prevention

Discussion in 'Livestock & Forage' started by focussed, Mar 2, 2015.

  1. neilo

    neilo Member

    Location:
    Montgomeryshire
    To be fair, I don't think @bovine is 'anti-farmer' at all, or trying to 'introduce more red tape'. I suggest you re-read his posts above.;)

    Routine, prophylactic ab use is under pressure from governments, and the EU, and the principle is probably right. This will be imposed from above, not by our vets. For instance, did you know that in Holland, even Heptevac P has moved from general use (like here), to POM, and now to vet administered. FFS, how many animals suffer from that restriction of use/cost?:banghead: The same people are sitting on committees in Europe deciding what to restrict next.(n)

    For the record, I give every lamb born inside a squirt of Spectam too, like many others. Those born outside don't see it unless they come indoors for any reason.
     
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  2. Badshot

    Badshot Member

    Location:
    Kent
    My vet has been warning of restrictions on AB's for a while now, but he also pointed out that the likes of holland use huge amounts prophylactically in pigs so cutting use wasn't too hard.
     
  3. the hoof man

    the hoof man Member

    Location:
    Hampshire
    How much is Spectam per lamb treatment??
     
  4. bovine

    bovine Member

    Location:
    North
    About 15p
     
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  5. z.man

    z.man Member

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    central scotland
    What is the antibiotic use like in a fish farm? Can,t actually claim to knowing myself but seem to have an impression that some salmon farms use their fair share.
    Have to wonder if there is a similarity to fungicide resistance in cereal production, years ago most chemicals were used as an eradicant then we went through a protective spell and now we seem to be seeing more resistance and are heading towards needing new chemistry all the time, there is a possibility of this being replicated in the livestock industry and as anyone who has experienced resistant fluke will tell you it is nothing to look forward to.Says he who uses routine spectam at lambing :facepalm:
     
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  6. the hoof man

    the hoof man Member

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    Hampshire
    Cheap then - Unless you get resistance I guess??
     
  7. the hoof man

    the hoof man Member

    Location:
    Hampshire
    Lactoferrin & Lactoperoxidase as an alternative??? - Proven effectiveness in the control of E'coli
     
  8. bovine

    bovine Member

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    North
  9. Longlowdog

    Longlowdog Member

    Location:
    Aberdeenshire
    When Mcdonald's start throwing their weight around change will happen. At least they use their buying power to influence providers without lobbying for change at legislative level, although the vocal vegans will probably manage to put more spin on this than Phill Tufnell.
     
  10. Johngee

    Johngee Member

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    Llandysul
    For the majority of lambs that 1ml at birth will be the only antibiotic they get throughout their lives. That seems a very small risk of resistance compared to the daily in feed AB that intensive livestock receive,
     
  11. mossy

    mossy New Member

    Just wondering does spectam also help to prevent joint ill .
     
  12. Longlowdog

    Longlowdog Member

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    Aberdeenshire
  13. reverand

    reverand Member

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    East lancs hills
    I like the idea. It should help , shouldn't it?
     
  14. bovine

    bovine Member

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    North
    What are you hoping to achieve with udder wipes? Cleaner teats?

    I'd say if they are so contaminated you need to wipe them - you have a bigger hygiene problem. Dagging long wool and lots of clean, dry bedding give you clean dry sheep.

    Spectam could help fight joint ill - depends on the route of infection. Some believe the navel can become infected directly, so believe bacteria get in when the lamb suckling. In reality I suspect both could be at play. I would like to do a trial, but I'd have to get a non dipping farm to start dipping - ethically dodgy the other way around.
     
  15. reverand

    reverand Member

    Location:
    East lancs hills
    Wow wow.keep your hair on. My sheep arent dirty,just saying when you turn your ewe over to check bag ,maybe just give it a wipe! Only a thought. If it stops one getting watery mouth its worth it ,just another string to your bow.
     
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  16. bovine

    bovine Member

    Location:
    North
    Try it and see. As long as you use proper teat wipes they won't do any harm.
     
  17. Downton_shep

    Downton_shep Member

    Location:
    Leintwardine
    I meant as in to wipe bacteria off the udder not that there laced in sh!t! Being a arable farm we have plenty of straw so we don't skimp on it.

    Like I said it was only a thought that came in my head riding round the ewes one morning. We had a bitch of a year last year with watery mouth so need to try something. We never lost many lambs but it just bunged the pens up with them having to stay in a extra day.
     
  18. tr250

    tr250 Member

    Location:
    Northants
    Just been looking on this old thread about watery mouth. We seem to be getting it worse than ever and I think our hygiene is very good sheep littered every day in loads of clean straw so you have a job to walk. They were mucked out on the day we were due, the pens are cleaned and swept let dry and drysan put down. Sheep are in good condition fed tmr and giving loads of milk but still we are having it not massive yet but still annoying. Would love to know who is managing without spectam as we are struggling with it
     
  19. Gulli

    Gulli Member

    Location:
    Somerset
    I'd say you probably have another underlying issue. Pin pointing it might be tricky though!
    What's your lambing routine? Lambing in pens or in the shed and then penned up?
    How tight are they in the shed?

    I do everything wrong I think but watery mouth isn't a problem here. Mainly because ewes are in good condition and healthy, they don't get any concentrates or a great deal of management throughout the year
     
  20. livestock 1

    livestock 1 Member

    You don’t have to do anything wrong. One of my vets told me it depended what area you were in to a degree. With having sheep in different locations I could agree. Spectam doest work well for me compared to oxytetracyclene which was almost perfect. Colostrum quality is worth thinking about. Have your ewes built up enough fat on their bags? Is the colostrum watery? I know from experience what you feed your ewes pre lambing can have a big effect
     
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