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Is that winter wheat? It’s been a very very difficult year to get anything going well but I have to say that field is not worth taking to harvest. It’s awful and I have a couple almost as bad. I’ve decided to give up on some linseed and make the most of a bad job, mole drain and cover crop ready for hopefully a good 1st wheat. As said it’s been difficult.
When did you plant linseed to be giving up on it?
I didn't plant mine till about 10th may last year, didn't look great, bit patchy due to FB, but managed 0.85t/acre for little input.
Didn't even dessicate it.
 

kiwi

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We are fortunate to be able to do our own trial comparison this year. My. Youngest son has done up this video which might be slightly long but shows a marked difference in the drills . Will let you know how it progresses. This paddock has been direct drilled by the Dale seed hawk and cross slot previous to that since 2000. Dale was since 2003 and has been great drill just struggled with some of our high residue leadings occasionallly.
 
Weaving GD drilled Spring barley emerging.
Very dry conditions here. Last rain was 2 mm March 30th. Frost almost every night and very long time for germination. But better late than never!
 

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Rihards

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Weaving GD drilled Spring barley emerging.
Very dry conditions here. Last rain was 2 mm March 30th. Frost almost every night and very long time for germination. But better late than never!
if it is 100% no till without any pass prior tillage, at what speed did You had been drilling? all this small soil clods in unusual for me to see after gd job.
 

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I normally struggle to see where I've been!


I do wonder if a gutter type press wheel would be better and crumble the soil over the seed a bit.
The tyre literally puts it back untouched mostly.
Seedling emergence is definitely faster where it's crumbled more.
 

Two Tone

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I normally struggle to see where I've been!


I do wonder if a gutter type press wheel would be better and crumble the soil over the seed a bit.
The tyre literally puts it back untouched mostly.
Seedling emergence is definitely faster where it's crumbled more.
When I had the demonstration, I did ask Simon about Guttler type rollers and they did have a good answer why it wasn’t as good and the closing wheel that they use. That had tried it, but the sideways force created too much force and too much disturbance In closing the slot. So much weight is carried in the Closing wheels, that Guttler wheels were unsuccessful. The wheels that they do use, are the most suitable for all soil type, especially where they vary in each field.
Also IMO the Guttler is not good in trying to keep Blackgrass seed undisturbed.
 
if it is 100% no till without any pass prior tillage, at what speed did You had been drilling? all this small soil clods in unusual for me to see after gd job.
Drilling is at 8,5-9 km/h.
Very different looking depending of how much residue there is left and earthworm casks.
The pressure on the wheel is a danger in the spring, if it is too high! Driving with all weight on the discs/wheels can really create problems for the germination.
Actually I was just on the limit because there was some places where the soil was packed and very hard, so plants could not emerge through it.
The drill weighs 10.5 t and with 2,5 t seed there are some 350 kg/row wight.
The last two pictures is from a farm, where this happened!
 

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Two Tone

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This week, I thought I’d compare the 3 failed rape fields we drilled with Spring Oats:

GD drilled 7/4/20
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Next field (beside the above) drilled with my Kuhn combi-venter with seed flex coulters 8/4/20. Struggled with trash and couldn’t get much depth with the power harrow. Looked pretty on top post drilling but suffered from lack of moisture. Maybe the rain last week will help.
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Last field (beside 2nd field) drilled with my neighbour’s Vaddy 3metre system disc box drill 9/4/20. The front discs managed to pull up some moisture to get the crop away. But we now expect to see a weed problem after last weeks rain
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I’m seriously wondering if conditions are/were good and the front discs weren’t used, if the Vaddy wouldn’t be quite a good DD drill?
Seiously enough to maybe give it a try this autumn with Wheat and Barley!
 
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Two Tone

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Tried the Vaddy last spring direct, made a nice slot but failed to close it
Yes, which is why we used the front disks to create a tilth that would close the slot (this spring).
But in the Autumn, if (and only if) we got the right field conditions on undisturbed stubbles, with a suitable weather forecast, it might work.

I’ve already made up my mind that I’m not going to jump into 100% No-TIL this autumn.
After not being able to get Avadex on to some of my wheat (It did gets its pre-em of Crystal + DFF), I have more balckgrass that I’m happy with and must plough it ahead of the next crop (Hybrid Winter Barley) to reset the situation, making sure it does get the full pre-em plus Avadex this time.
Atlantis, Hatra and Pacifica plus still doesn’t work here even after 4 years of not using it.

So, I can’t invest in yet another drill, DD or otherwise and my neighbour's (who we already share farm with) Vaddy might fit the bill for this Autumn, on my least bad Blackgrass fields.
But I stress “might” only if conditions are right.
 

jack6480

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Staffs
Drilling is at 8,5-9 km/h.
Very different looking depending of how much residue there is left and earthworm casks.
The pressure on the wheel is a danger in the spring, if it is too high! Driving with all weight on the discs/wheels can really create problems for the germination.
Actually I was just on the limit because there was some places where the soil was packed and very hard, so plants could not emerge through it.
The drill weighs 10.5 t and with 2,5 t seed there are some 350 kg/row wight.
The last two pictures is from a farm, where this happened!

thsts interesting! I in the passed have always seen seed germinate but then like this, it struggles to break through. How do you stop this? Angle drill onto discs more or drill shallower?
 
I move the position of the switch contact that limits the downforce of the seed boom and in this way I leave more pressure on the wheels.
There are normally plenty of pressure on the discs.
It is possible to change the angle of the discs a little if necessary.
Most drills with vertically discs have problems with closing the slot, and they use different pressure wheels or guttlers to do that. Seed will germinate up vertically through the slot.
Weaving GD (25 degrees) and Sly Boss (15 degrees) with angled discs lift the soil in this angle and it almost closes again by falling back. Some seeds will germinate throug the slot, but some will try to germinate up vertically through the soil. And if this soil above the seeds are compacted/smeared because of too high pressure on the closing wheel, they will never reach the surface!
So it is a balance between these factors to adjust the drill optimally
 
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suffolk
Yesterdays experiment was putting some very late SB into a patch of brussel sprouts that had been left and gone to seed, had to wait to drill this little patch as we were still cutting some sprouting broccoli next to the sprouts until the other day.


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