Weaving sabre tine user thread

Bomber101

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BASIS
Location
Trent, Dorset
First post in Direct Drilling section so be gentle please! We are taking small steps in direct drilling and have bought a reconditioned 2014 metal tank Sabretine from Weaving. We have had a couple of issues I am hoping the wisdom on here will help with. We also have a Vaderstad rapid as our alternate drill but these questions are just Sabretine!
Firstly we have issues with seed flowing through the metering device -mainly Linseed and Mustard and blowing seed out when lifted up. The metering device is not turning and the rate seems fine - we do variable rate to complicate the issue. Weaving got us to check the rubber flap in the metering device which was not worn. They suggested we cut the flap for small seeds to try and eliminate the gap between device and flap. Does anyone else have this problem? Are we looking in the correct place or is there elewhere we should look?
Secondly (and please forgive this in the direct driling section) we had some ground we ploughed and powerharrowed and then used the Sabretine as a more conventional mounted drill albeit a heavy one! We found it was difficult to get the depth correct behind the wheels. We ended up dropping the drill deeper into the ground and lifting the coulters up into the middle hole for any coulters not behind wheels and leaving the coulters deep for the behind the wheels. Are we starting in the correct holes and is this the most efficient way to do it!
The results have been great, except running out of Mustard seed although this was purely a setup test with Weaving making sure the drill was setup on farm correctly.
 

matthewizod

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Arable Farmer
Location
Chipping norton
First post in Direct Drilling section so be gentle please! We are taking small steps in direct drilling and have bought a reconditioned 2014 metal tank Sabretine from Weaving. We have had a couple of issues I am hoping the wisdom on here will help with. We also have a Vaderstad rapid as our alternate drill but these questions are just Sabretine!
Firstly we have issues with seed flowing through the metering device -mainly Linseed and Mustard and blowing seed out when lifted up. The metering device is not turning and the rate seems fine - we do variable rate to complicate the issue. Weaving got us to check the rubber flap in the metering device which was not worn. They suggested we cut the flap for small seeds to try and eliminate the gap between device and flap. Does anyone else have this problem? Are we looking in the correct place or is there elewhere we should look?
Secondly (and please forgive this in the direct driling section) we had some ground we ploughed and powerharrowed and then used the Sabretine as a more conventional mounted drill albeit a heavy one! We found it was difficult to get the depth correct behind the wheels. We ended up dropping the drill deeper into the ground and lifting the coulters up into the middle hole for any coulters not behind wheels and leaving the coulters deep for the behind the wheels. Are we starting in the correct holes and is this the most efficient way to do it!
The results have been great, except running out of Mustard seed although this was purely a setup test with Weaving making sure the drill was setup on farm correctly.

We traded our steel tank model in June.

When we bought it, it leaked seed and suggested to us that we changed the flap, it helped but never eliminated it on smaller seeds. A neighbour has the same problem with there sabretine and hasn't worked out why.


I try to run the Coulter's in the middle hole and leave the leg a bit deeper where possible, this year it was pulling up too much wet soil so moved Coulter to bottom hole so we could shallow the drill up. When we drilled beans we left the middle of the drill deeper than the outer wings to help with depth behind the tractor and it seemed to give a even depth. We now have the newer model sabre and it's a lot easier to set up, we only had the old style for a season. I don't tend to go any more than 10/11k which seems to be the comfortable speed for the drill
 

Tiptoe Ted

Member
Location
South East
First post in Direct Drilling section so be gentle please! We are taking small steps in direct drilling and have bought a reconditioned 2014 metal tank Sabretine from Weaving. We have had a couple of issues I am hoping the wisdom on here will help with. We also have a Vaderstad rapid as our alternate drill but these questions are just Sabretine!
Firstly we have issues with seed flowing through the metering device -mainly Linseed and Mustard and blowing seed out when lifted up. The metering device is not turning and the rate seems fine - we do variable rate to complicate the issue. Weaving got us to check the rubber flap in the metering device which was not worn. They suggested we cut the flap for small seeds to try and eliminate the gap between device and flap. Does anyone else have this problem? Are we looking in the correct place or is there elewhere we should look?
Secondly (and please forgive this in the direct driling section) we had some ground we ploughed and powerharrowed and then used the Sabretine as a more conventional mounted drill albeit a heavy one! We found it was difficult to get the depth correct behind the wheels. We ended up dropping the drill deeper into the ground and lifting the coulters up into the middle hole for any coulters not behind wheels and leaving the coulters deep for the behind the wheels. Are we starting in the correct holes and is this the most efficient way to do it!
The results have been great, except running out of Mustard seed although this was purely a setup test with Weaving making sure the drill was setup on farm correctly.
I have had the same problem with seed blowing out when lifted on my 2017 plastic hopper drill. First with turnips and mustard but also noticed it (although far less) with rye and wheat later on. Changed the rubber flap which helped but hasn't completely resolved it. I also can't see any other reason for it. Wasn't a big problem in the end, seed rates worked out and it has all emerged well so may just live with it unless someone can suggest an easy fix.

All this talk of which hole the coulters go in...!! Mine has the old system of 2 bolts clamping the coulter tube in place but I haven't changed the depth behind the tractor wheels yet although hope to drill some beans into cultivated ground soon so may well try it then. Any tips for bean drilling with the sabre tine welcome as a first for me!
All in all, it's a good simple drill but it does sound like the improvements on the newer version are welcome as depth setting on the older model is not particularly straight forward... :oops: :banghead:
 

E_B

Member
Location
Norfolk
For what it's worth, I have seed blowing out the ends of a 2015 Mzuri. Changing the rubber flap didn't make any difference. Have just learnt to live with it.
 
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Winter barley hasn’t looked back since drilling!
 
Looks very well Adrian. Have you sprayed for aphids this year. Our agro is quite determined we do, but I can’t find any and it’s too sticky to travel on the heavier ground . I hate making a mess with a vengeance .

Winter barley is mostly sensation so a new variety with some breeding against bydv. Our Agro has an obsession over aphids, we have lengthy arguments every week about the subject, I’m against spraying insecticides.
 

Bomber101

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BASIS
Location
Trent, Dorset
Spring drilling is getting closer and wonderd if anyone with the old style had tips for drilling beans. We have shallow cultivated and rolled last autumn and have firm and weed free seedbeds. What setting do people use for the coulters - hole closest to the bottom so seed is dropped as low as possible? What tine angle - we are guessing at vertical rather than for trashy conditions or light soil? Seed rate will be 300 kg per ha ish - what sort of speed would be a starting point 8 - 10 kph? Like the drill but hard to setup at the start with seemingly few adjustments but actually quite a lot!
 

Andrew K

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Arable Farmer
Location
Essex
Dont try to drill silly deep with it, you can reduce air release from the coulter and cause seed flow to stall especially if going too fast.
Eight to ten K plenty at that seed rate. Make sure you clean the seed well.
 

Bob lincs

Member
Arable Farmer
Really pleased with our Sabre Tine this spring . We have a nice bit of frost mould but it’s pretty wet underneath and we have been able drill beans and spring wheat in one pass without pulling out a lot of wet stuff . All the land was moved 2”-3” in the back end with either a short disc type machine or our Kuhn pro lander tined machine . The only thing we are going to do is experiment with some slightly longer and narrower seed tubes for wheat as I think we could run the drill a lot shallower with the outlet closer to the end of the tine . The standard tubes are spot on for beans , the seed depth on wheat is abit random but can be sorted out .
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Wombat

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BASIS
Location
East yorks
Really pleased with our Sabre Tine this spring . We have a nice bit of frost mould but it’s pretty wet underneath and we have been able drill beans and spring wheat in one pass without pulling out a lot of wet stuff . All the land was moved 2”-3” in the back end with either a short disc type machine or our Kuhn pro lander tined machine . The only thing we are going to do is experiment with some slightly longer and narrower seed tubes for wheat as I think we could run the drill a lot shallower with the outlet closer to the end of the tine . The standard tubes are spot on for beans it seed depth on wheat is abit random .View attachment 946011View attachment 946012View attachment 946013

Looks good, the key to it i have found is that bit of crumb, put some spring wheat in yesterday with mine and its a bit slotty in places as a bit heavier but as long as the crumb is their to cover it it does an excellent job.
 

Wombat

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BASIS
Location
East yorks
anyone popped an extra hole in the tubes, i have the tubes as low as they can go but its blowing the seed a little deeper than i would like this spring where its a bit wetter and could do to raise the tines but drop the tubes so the over all seed depth is the same but the tine is shallower?
 

Bob lincs

Member
Arable Farmer
anyone popped an extra hole in the tubes, i have the tubes as low as they can go but its blowing the seed a little deeper than i would like this spring where its a bit wetter and could do to raise the tines but drop the tubes so the over all seed depth is the same but the tine is shallower?
I’m having a new set of tubes cut with the slot in the same place but the tubes 30mm longer .
 

JCfarmer

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Mixed Farmer
Location
warks
Do any of you chaps have many stones and does it bring them to the surface? With the ground being firm after drilling they can't easily be rolled back in? I should add I do pick stones when neccessary.
 

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