Weed wiping questions

Y Fan Wen

Member
Location
N W Snowdonia
Romneymarsh, do you know what (if any) certificates you need to hold to operate a weedwiper or, more importantly, to get the chemical for putting in it?

I asked the bloke on the Logic stand at Scotsheep and he didn't know!
PA1 for purchase, PA2f for wiping. I was going to do my f in March but it is now postponed to September, or later!
 
In answer to the original question about cost. I think the triple sets of wipers are 12-14K when I looked a couple of years ago. I thought the head mounted on a hedge cutter looked useful as it would allow us to get along ditches but the budget got spent on something else!
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
I would have thought weedwipper would be the safest of all application methods, so regulations dont make sense. If your spraying near a road or a footpath, then some form of drift cant be avoided unless you use a weedwipper
PA1 for purchase, PA2f for wiping. I was going to do my f in March but it is now postponed to September, or later!

Got to do my 'f' at some time in the future... But in all honesty, what can it cover?

No calibration required, just follow the manufacturers instructions for use of the machine and setting flow rate...
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
The only chemical licensed for weedwiper’s currently is glyphosate. We run a contact 2000 and the triple set up on the tractor. I speak with logic frequently and there is something in the pipeline for another chemical seeking wiper approval

Any news on this??

My STW adviser said that the they were keen, as are most water companies, to see more use of wipers. Make perfect sense, minimla active ingrediend and precisely targeted. Win Win!

Why the chem companies don't push a few grassland herbicide through is a mystery.
 

Suffolksucklers

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Livestock Farmer
Location
North Suffolk
Any news on this??

My STW adviser said that the they were keen, as are most water companies, to see more use of wipers. Make perfect sense, minimla active ingrediend and precisely targeted. Win Win!

Why the chem companies don't push a few grassland herbicide through is a mystery.
Probably because they wouldn't sell as much as chemical then 🤔
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
Any news on this??

My STW adviser said that the they were keen, as are most water companies, to see more use of wipers. Make perfect sense, minimla active ingrediend and precisely targeted. Win Win!

Why the chem companies don't push a few grassland herbicide through is a mystery.
The thinking is that Roundup is less harmful than selective weedkiller, well thats what I was told as regards mcpa anyhow
 

Classichay

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
The moon
I can or cannot deny that using non glyphosate products does work 😁 I can’t see how it isn’t safer as your not blanket spraying the whole area? Baffles belief but I’ve found that certain chemicals even grass safe will char grass if in contact enough, my wiper I’ve made makes rushes look painted wet and I’ve scorched them to the deck in a week,
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steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
The thinking is that Roundup is less harmful than selective weedkiller, well thats what I was told as regards mcpa anyhow

Maybe "they" should stop thinking, and get out on the fields and farms then... See what actually happens in real life.

Now I know you don't grow thistles over the Border Derrick, but here on the lush plains of Shropshire, they grow like, well, thistles! Surely a pass through with a selective herbicide, is far better applied with a wiper, as opposed to a boom sprayer. Glypho is all well and good, but sometimes the wiper needs to be low to catch all the weeds and the risk of damage to grass is higher than we like.

As you rightly pointed out above, working near watercourses, is a difficult area, and a wiper could well be the answer here as well.
 
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Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
I can or cannot deny that using non glyphosate products does work [emoji16] I can’t see how it isn’t safer as your not blanket spraying the whole area? Baffles belief but I’ve found that certain chemicals even grass safe will char grass if in contact enough, my wiper I’ve made makes rushes look painted wet and I’ve scorched them to the deck in a week,View attachment 959610
What do you use on rushes . We are not blanket spraying though with roundup in a wiper
 

Classichay

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
The moon
What do you use on rushes . We are not blanket spraying though with roundup in a wiper
I mean if you were to apply let’s say “mcpa” with the sprayer or with the weed wiper..... surely giving everything a good cover is worse than a limited amount to the target weeds, Think I used 5 litres to do 5 acres on a 60:40 (water : chem and decent wetter) mix thought I’d use far more on the first outing. It’s certainly more cost effective as I’ve the drum full for the next outing. Issue I found as Steve said we’re running that low it’s too close to the grass to risk glypho
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
I mean if you were to apply let’s say “mcpa” with the sprayer or with the weed wiper..... surely giving everything a good cover is worse than a limited amount to the target weeds, Think I used 5 litres to do 5 acres on a 60:40 (water : chem and decent wetter) mix thought I’d use far more on the first outing. It’s certainly more cost effective as I’ve the drum full for the next outing.

It will be interesting to hear if those rushes die properly, or have just had the tops burnt back. I’ve always understood the old hormone weed killers like MCPA need to be applied with a relatively high water volume to get good cover. The same is true of the Dow/Corteva products too, who seem more sensitive to having the weeds growing well.

If those products do work effectively through a wiper, it must surely be better to be able to target weeds selectively with a wiper, than blanket, or even spot, spraying.
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
It will be interesting to hear if those rushes die properly, or have just had the tops burnt back. I’ve always understood the old hormone weed killers like MCPA need to be applied with a relatively high water volume to get good cover. The same is true of the Dow/Corteva products too, who seem more sensitive to having the weeds growing well.

If those products do work effectively through a wiper, it must surely be better to be able to target weeds selectively with a wiper, than blanket, or even spot, spraying.

I think that the cost of chems is so low, that even if you have to go through annually to take out the Rushes, they will weaken in time... labour might be another matter I guess.

The Dow stuff was always a worry when I did contract spraying on paddocks, slow and as you say, needed to be good growing conditions. Old chems, just got on and belted the top growth to make for a happy customer!

A bit of warmer weather after todays deluge, and the weeds will be away now :)
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Now obviously nobody would admit to using weed killers through a wiper, unless it was on the label, but there must be an awful lot of anecdotal evidence of others such products effectively, and at what strengths...

Without anyone recommending such use, which selective products have anyone heard of being used through a wiper, to kill nettles for example? I’ve always found glyphosate just burns the tops of those, even at a full 6L/ha rate, with rainwater and wetter.:(
 

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