Welger vs McHale

[Chuckie]

Can't speak for fixed chamber but purely on density of variable balers between mchale and fendt/massey/lely the latter makes the denser bale 100%. Anyone saying different is a liar.

Or has found out how to set the density to number '11'

 

[Elpresidente]

Mostly temperamental net wrapping system. Seldom see one working without the top hood up in the air as operators are in and out of cab so regular dealing with them.
Would also start having bearing/roller/pickup reel failures long before year 9.

New ones may be better now but got fed up waiting on the improvements.
Baler design seemed to get forgotten about compared to attention they gave combines and foragers.

I’ve had 4 Rollant and never had any major netting issues. So long as the rollers arent covered in mud and crap and you’re not trying to bale in the rain they work pretty faultlessly

 

[Andrew1983]

Can't speak for fixed chamber but purely on density of variable balers between mchale and fendt/massey/lely the latter makes the denser bale 100%. Anyone saying different is a liar.

Can depend on individual balers though, pressure system etc. The lads working ours Think the 445 puts more in a bale than the 160 when they have been baling in same field.

It’s good to see that the replacement roller that went into the 160 today is considerably heavier than the original, always good to see a company make improvements to weaknesses. If only they would change the net system to something that works and isn’t bothered by wind or sticky grass conditions.

 

[Jon Boy]

If you are looking for a fixed chamber baler have a look at Goweil they form the bales slightly differently to the rest and have a very good reputation here for making tight bales they also do plastic or net and the combi balers are very well sorted , you can even get a powerd axle version if you like baling hills or wet ground.

 

[Elpresidente]

Have a 355 also and the net wrap never fails really , only trouble I had was when I didn't use TAMA net , tried Novatex and end up giving it away to a neighbour , no amount of different brake settings would fix it . But stick with TAMA and it bales and nets anything put in front of it .
Not also convinced door locks make for a better shape bale in all cases , my previous Duetz Fahr /vicon/greenland had locks and made awful shape bales and would never bale dry straw .
Just put a new cartridge in the door lock valve on my Claas and I notice it holds the pressure for days after I have removed the baler, previously it went down in a minute or two , so hopefully will make better bales again

I have had a 254 354 454 and now a 374 and find the netter to be pretty much trouble free. The last 3 years I’ve been using Juta net and have no problems.

 

[Yale]

Having read most of this thread it’s more to do with who is a competent operator,also regularly uses an oil can and a grease gun.

 

[Wellytrack]

Anybody Any experience with the Pottinger baler?

 

[Yale]

Anybody Any experience with the Pottinger baler?

One point I picked up on is the discharge height of the bale.

We have a Kuhn and immediately took off the bale kicker as on banks you need the bale to drop from as low a height as possible to prevent it gaining extra inertia.

I looked at the Krone also however and that also was a bit higher,that’s a small reason why I liked the Kuhn.

 

[Henarar]

Having read most of this thread it’s more to do with who is a competent operator,also regularly uses an oil can and a grease gun.

Bale shape and density can be just as much down to the rowing up as the baler or the baler operator,
you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear

 

[Yale]

Bale shape and density can be just as much down to the rowing up as the baler or the baler operator,
you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear

Yes,something like’you can’t make a good bale from a bad swath’.

 

[nails]

Bale shape and density can be just as much down to the rowing up as the baler or the baler operator,
you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear

Too right . I used to have to bale for a neighbour who rowed up like he would for a small conventional baler . Narrow and lumpy. Always got a blockage at some point on the row ends or corners. Easiest and best bales come out of baling straight behind a Mo Co with the width just right for the pick up. That is my experience anyway but it might be all rubbish

 

[Johnny Deere]

At max density it takes 210 bar to get the grass to open the door on a mchale.
The welger can put more grass into a smaller area but it's hard on itself if your pushing to do that.
Set the slip clutch off on a welger when it's full and your in trouble.
Krones are only for light usage and aren't up to pushing on in 30ft wet heavy rows I would say a fusion has the edge over a welger combi but I wouldnt be sure in a standard baler.

 

[Fragonard]

At max density it takes 210 bar to get the grass to open the door on a mchale.
The welger can put more grass into a smaller area but it's hard on itself if your pushing to do that.
Set the slip clutch off on a welger when it's full and your in trouble.
Krones are only for light usage and aren't up to pushing on in 30ft wet heavy rows I would say a fusion has the edge over a welger combi but I wouldnt be sure in a standard baler.

Whats the pressure in the welger, when set to max?

 

[Johnny Deere]

Whats the pressure in the welger, when set to max?

I can't remember off the top of my head but I think it was 180

 

[jpd]

Can't speak for fixed chamber but purely on density of variable balers between mchale and fendt/massey/lely the latter makes the denser bale 100%. Anyone saying different is a liar.

yawn
who cares?

 

[ILovebaling]

yawn
who cares?

The guy asking the question cares.

 

[Fragonard]

I can't remember off the top of my head but I think it was 180

That would mean the McHale makes a harder bale, If the door opens. ?

 

[Johnny Deere]

That would mean the McHale makes a harder bale, If the door opens. ?

I would think the mchale would make harder bales the door has to open on the mchale that's how it sets off the netter unit

 

[jpd]

The guy asking the question cares.

its a my red is better than your blue question
my baler will bale heavy solid brutes of bales
if
i bale wet straw
there are tooo many variables
the question should be
what rake makes the beat swarth
what combine leaves the best row

 

[ILovebaling]

its a my red is better than your blue question
my baler will bale heavy solid brutes of bales
if
i bale wet straw
there are tooo many variables
the question should be
what rake makes the beat swarth
what combine leaves the best row

Having run both, the red ones are denser than the green ones, I say so and customers said so also. It's just a fact and answering a question that was asked without going into more details about either brand.