Welger vs McHale

Galcam

Member
It’s funny but I never have a customer ask or worry about density or weight. They want it baled dry and wrapped and if there’s a few more bales than last year it’s a bonus. Less and they think they will be short of fodder. I should say I only bale silage. Oh as an aside, Using my new fusion with bale Weigher and at density 8, in grass baled 24 hrs after cutting straight from mown 10.6 foot swarth, the bale weights are averaging 660kg in dry grass. I imagine they would be 800kg plus if it was wet grass. I’m sure ill find that out shortly?
 

Boohoo

Member
Location
Newtownabbey
It’s funny but I never have a customer ask or worry about density or weight. They want it baled dry and wrapped and if there’s a few more bales than last year it’s a bonus. Less and they think they will be short of fodder. I should say I only bale silage. Oh as an aside, Using my new fusion with bale Weigher and at density 8, in grass baled 24 hrs after cutting straight from mown 10.6 foot swarth, the bale weights are averaging 660kg in dry grass. I imagine they would be 800kg plus if it was wet grass. I’m sure ill find that out shortly?
If you're getting 800kg bales it isn't wet, wet bales are 1600kg.
 

ILovebaling

Member
Location
Co Durham
It’s funny but I never have a customer ask or worry about density or weight. They want it baled dry and wrapped and if there’s a few more bales than last year it’s a bonus. Less and they think they will be short of fodder. I should say I only bale silage. Oh as an aside, Using my new fusion with bale Weigher and at density 8, in grass baled 24 hrs after cutting straight from mown 10.6 foot swarth, the bale weights are averaging 660kg in dry grass. I imagine they would be 800kg plus if it was wet grass. I’m sure ill find that out shortly
Never had complaints as such. But when you've got 2 balers and 1 puts more in than the other, guess which 1 all the customers want you to turn up with ?‍♂
 

Wellytrack

Member
Depends if they are selling or keeping the bales....
Very true.

Raked 6 acres for neighbor last week, you get to know what to expect before it's baled and I estimated no more than 40 bales.

61 was the result.

I'm not even going to say the make of the baler as the baler manufacturer is totally irrelevant.
 

v8willy

Member
Mixed Farmer
Very true.

Raked 6 acres for neighbor last week, you get to know what to expect before it's baled and I estimated no more than 40 bales.

61 was the result.

I'm not even going to say the make of the baler as the baler manufacturer is totally irrelevant.
A fella telling me last year of getting a man in to bale a few years before, had loads more bales than expected, then ran out of silage in February!! & the make of baler used makes the best of bales if the density is set right.
 

Wellytrack

Member
A fella telling me last year of getting a man in to bale a few years before, had loads more bales than expected, then ran out of silage in February!! & the make of baler used makes the best of bales if the density is set right.
True.

The guy I raked for sells his bales, I won’t reduce the pressure for him, or anyone else hence he gets another baler in.
 

Wellytrack

Member
Wellytrack what about the old axiom that “he who pays the piper calls the tune”? I’d take his money and make them like pancakes if he wants!
Your probably correct.

However I’d like the next bales I make to be as good as the last bales I made, if I did make wee buns I’d be certain that’s what others may assume I make all the time.

But I also understand what your saying.
 

Celt83

Member
Livestock Farmer
He is right to get someone else to bale, if you won't make the type of bales he wants,
He is right to a point as "the customer is always right" but what's wrong with taking pride in your work?

Bad bales spread as fast as bad news! That's all you would need is for a neighbour or a couple of people to pass the field on their way to market and the contractor would be blamed entirely!

Well done @Wellytrack for sticking to your morals!
 

Wellytrack

Member
The way I look at it is I’m there to bale, whilst I’m there I will make the best bale I can. Simples.

It’s not my fault the customer does not have enough crop for the number of saleable bales he forecast to have.

He may wish to have more, but I won’t assist in his aim. Not everyone agrees with this outlook and that is absolutely fine.
 
Today I stumbled across a u tube video by Penn Uni in USA apparently sponsored by CNH whereby they were doing research into round baling and forage quality. Arguments like slow and dense or fast and not so dense, but where is the best balance ?
I wonder if the person on the seat is the biggest variable and can compensate for a baler’s weakness?
Is there any uk research? I have never seen any in the press I read.
It’s too late for us given we just upgraded our round baler.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton

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Bald n Grumpy

Member
Livestock Farmer
Never used a round baler myself but fed plenty of bales the most important thing is the man in the cab. Our contractor bought McHale roller baler to run with his welger belt baler last year after a winter of exploding bales and not being able to get net off completely he's been told to leave the green one at home this year.
MC Hales answer to why the bales were falling apart was he was putting to much in them? Also he says the welger is faster.
 

hally

Member
Location
cumbria
Today I stumbled across a u tube video by Penn Uni in USA apparently sponsored by CNH whereby they were doing research into round baling and forage quality. Arguments like slow and dense or fast and not so dense, but where is the best balance ?
I wonder if the person on the seat is the biggest variable and can compensate for a baler’s weakness?
Is there any uk research? I have never seen any in the press I read.
It’s too late for us given we just upgraded our round baler.
Speed always crucial when making a bale. Most on here reckon 200 hp for a baler where if you go a sensible speed huge power is not needed and the bales will be tighter. Every baler has the ability to make a good bale if set up right and not over fed.
 

hally

Member
Location
cumbria
Never used a round baler myself but fed plenty of bales the most important thing is the man in the cab. Our contractor bought McHale roller baler to run with his welger belt baler last year after a winter of exploding bales and not being able to get net off completely he's been told to leave the green one at home this year.
MC Hales answer to why the bales were falling apart was he was putting to much in them? Also he says the welger is faster.
Or not plenty net on
 

Finn farmer

Member
Never used a round baler myself but fed plenty of bales the most important thing is the man in the cab. Our contractor bought McHale roller baler to run with his welger belt baler last year after a winter of exploding bales and not being able to get net off completely he's been told to leave the green one at home this year.
MC Hales answer to why the bales were falling apart was he was putting to much in them? Also he says the welger is faster.
It is possible to over pressurize the McHale. Can't remember the "maximum pressure" mentioned on the manual, but ours is quite a bit over it and has lastes so for over 16000 bales. :whistle: The exploding happened with dry bales, since dad forgot to drop the pressure. :rolleyes:
 

Chae1

Member
Location
Aberdeenshire
Never used a round baler myself but fed plenty of bales the most important thing is the man in the cab. Our contractor bought McHale roller baler to run with his welger belt baler last year after a winter of exploding bales and not being able to get net off completely he's been told to leave the green one at home this year.
MC Hales answer to why the bales were falling apart was he was putting to much in them? Also he says the welger is faster.

So were bales literally exploding in the stack!? :oops: :ROFLMAO:

Silage must have been rocket fuel.

Ive done over 40k bales with my McHale and no explosions I know of
 

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