Well a big enough cheque book is the answer to carbon footprint

[Still Farming]

I will say this: if western nations start sending money to developing countries who will plant trees in order to offset their carbon emissions every scam you can think of will result. It is so corrupt in these places.

If they don't look after their own Countries how can everone else?

 

[Zippy768]

I suspect Elton John couldn't give a sh!t what people think about him

 

[Still Farming]

I suspect Elton John couldn't give a sh!t what people think about him

Tax deductible is it,expenses?

 

[primmiemoo]

There are a couple of pilot projects just started in Devon aiming to profile soil carbon stores, with some big companies involved looking to offset their carbon emissions. The project is bringing the two together with the ultimate aim of paying farmers for their carbon storage/sequestration.

The problem is that there is no quick, easy way of profiling soil carbon across a farm. Every field and soil type are likely to be different and will need retesting regularly to see any change. Currently the protocol involves a lot of digging and sampling at various depths = time consuming and expensive.

It's very early days and is really just dipping the toe in to see if the principle is sound and workable, but there are some big names willing to invest (There just needs to be a machine that can measure and map SOC quickly and cheaply).

It's a very real prospect for farmers to be paid according to the amount of SOC they are sat on, should they wish. If they choose to farm in a way which increases their SOC, they can earn more. If they farm in a way that reduces SOC on land they've nomonated, they'll get paid less.

If the payments can be traded or gamed, there will be any amount of playing with the figures, though. Any scheme would need thinking right through.

Unless payments are made through thoroughly auditable channels, there's a strong risk of takers of any payment finding themselves in thrall to the payer. If that's a multi-national corporation, or even a big national company, then there's a potential problem with outside control of land use.

 

[ollie989898]

If the payments can be traded or gamed, there will be any amount of playing with the figures, though. Any scheme would need thinking right through.

Unless payments are made through thoroughly auditable channels, there's a strong risk of takers of any payment finding themselves in thrall to the payer. If that's a multi-national corporation, or even a big national company, then there's a potential problem with outside control of land use.

It will be cobswobble you wait and see.

BP for example will do a 'deal' that means they 'own' 9 million acres of Brazilian rainforest neatly offsetting their quadrillion gigatonnes of carbon emissions when in reality all they did was buy off some government offical for 600,000 dollars.

 

[primmiemoo]

It will be cobswobble you wait and see.

BP for example will do a 'deal' that means they 'own' 9 million acres of Brazilian rainforest neatly offsetting their quadrillion gigatonnes of carbon emissions when in reality all they did was buy off some government offical for 600,000 dollars.

Yup, I shudder to think of what could - and perhaps already does - happen. Without strong regulations, many companies and businesses have as much humanity as hungry velociraptors, and considerably less integrity. Dodgy politicians in the mix, and

If memory serves, though, Belize has a functioning system of accepting payment to store carbon. It's helping to preserve rain forest - or it's meant to. If it isn't Belize, it's one of her neighbours.

I can't stand Elton John's manipulative inclusion of Harry's mum in the kerfuffle. Harry has surely had more than enough of that of thing.

I can actually imagine Harry rolling up his sleeves and doing some physical work in an environmental scheme as a penance, though. Something that many, if not most of the indulgences buyers would consider themselves far too important and self-entitled to do.

 

[bobk]

I'll happily store someone else's carbon , how much are they paying .

 

[Bury the Trash]

I'll happily store someone else's carbon , how much are they paying .

Me too , thers a bit of spare space in our garage atm...

 

[Still Farming]

I'll happily store someone else's carbon , how much are they paying .

Wales has plenty .
Called coal tips?

 

[bobk]

Wales has plenty .
Called coal tips?

We're not short of coal mate , 22 seams under here .

 

[Still Farming]

We're not short of coal mate , 22 seams under here .

Carbon 4u

 

[Barleycorn]

As long as they didn't have beef sandwiches on the plane.....!

 

[Bury the Trash]

Now yr just makin me hungry

 

[Longlowdog]

I can only presume that all the jealous, high horsed grumpy gits on here have never flown on holiday or drove a car for a fun day out. We are all oxygen thieves in the grand scheme of things. If someone offsets carbon in addition to paying the punitive levels of tax that include a rate for polluting then that's just even better.
The real question is what are our governments doing with all the poison tax money they are extorting from us?

 

[Still Farming]

I can only presume that all the jealous, high horsed grumpy gits on here have never flown on holiday or drove a car for a fun day out. We are all oxygen thieves in the grand scheme of things. If someone offsets carbon in addition to paying the punitive levels of tax that include a rate for polluting then that's just even better.
The real question is what are our governments doing with all the poison tax money they are extorting from us?

You may have cracked on to the next big thing?
Oxygen footprint and charges ?

 

[bobk]

I can only presume that all the jealous, high horsed grumpy gits on here have never flown on holiday or drove a car for a fun day out. We are all oxygen thieves in the grand scheme of things. If someone offsets carbon in addition to paying the punitive levels of tax that include a rate for polluting then that's just even better.
The real question is what are our governments doing with all the poison tax money they are extorting from us?

Paying the EU .

 

[Exfarmer]

I can only presume that all the jealous, high horsed grumpy gits on here have never flown on holiday or drove a car for a fun day out. We are all oxygen thieves in the grand scheme of things. If someone offsets carbon in addition to paying the punitive levels of tax that include a rate for polluting then that's just even better.
The real question is what are our governments doing with all the poison tax money they are extorting from us?

No most of us will have flown, some a lot of miles, however we dont go bare footed to fancy conferences and lecture the world about carbon footprint.
If he had gone to nearly any half decent school, they would have taught him the meaning of hypocrisy!

 

[Still Farming]

Paying the EU .

More like FU

 

[primmiemoo]

Am I rusting because I'm using too much oxygen?

 

[Clive]

There are a couple of pilot projects just started in Devon aiming to profile soil carbon stores, with some big companies involved looking to offset their carbon emissions. The project is bringing the two together with the ultimate aim of paying farmers for their carbon storage/sequestration.

The problem is that there is no quick, easy way of profiling soil carbon across a farm. Every field and soil type are likely to be different and will need retesting regularly to see any change. Currently the protocol involves a lot of digging and sampling at various depths = time consuming and expensive.

It's very early days and is really just dipping the toe in to see if the principle is sound and workable, but there are some big names willing to invest (There just needs to be a machine that can measure and map SOC quickly and cheaply).

It's a very real prospect for farmers to be paid according to the amount of SOC they are sat on, should they wish. If they choose to farm in a way which increases their SOC, they can earn more. If they farm in a way that reduces SOC on land they've nomonated, they'll get paid less.

BIG investment funds already exist in the USA, I have spoken to several very serous investment groups in the city who have intention of setting up UK carbon and green bond markets soon

As you say its not simple but It is happening