Welsh BPS payments 2016

[GTB]

Are they paying 80% now?

No all of it.

 

[salers]

Thanks, havnt taken a lot of notice this year.
It came in on the day, most of it will be gone by christmas, keep hearing that some people are going to be better off under the flat rate, everyone I speak to reckon to be 40 /50% worse off. Personally we will be 65% down.

 

[Thick Farmer]

Nothing here yet.

 

[GTB]

Nothing here yet.

They're paying the most needy first this year for a change

 

[neilo]

Thanks, havnt taken a lot of notice this year.
It came in on the day, most of it will be gone by christmas, keep hearing that some people are going to be better off under the flat rate, everyone I speak to reckon to be 40 /50% worse off. Personally we will be 65% down.

The 'flat rate' will mean that everyone gets the same per ac/ha, so for every 'loser', there will be a 'gainer'. I'd guess that most of those that gain will stay fairly quiet on the matter though.
Of course, that's assuming the whole pot stays the same size, but in realty that pot has shrunk as well.

Some might suggest that those that will be seeing a 40-65% reduction, having been doing VERY well for the last 10 years, certainly much better than their competing farmers over the border have (speaking as someone that's seen both regimes).

I know it doesn't make the transition any easier though, or maintain rural communities.

'No-sub NZ' is the dream that we must follow, where one man 'efficiently' runs the land that keeps 5 families now.

 

[Bury the Trash]

They're paying the most greedy first this year for a change

 

[salers]

Speaking in the market the other week, three of us same age,we all had three young kids, all farming hard, keeping beef and sheep, all three losing 60% of our income, all wondering where any savings were left to be made.

 

[Johngee]

Speaking in the market the other week, three of us same age,we all had three young kids, all farming hard, keeping beef and sheep, all three losing 60% of our income, all wondering where any savings were left to be made.

If you're losing 60% of your payment then you must have been getting a serious amount of money before. Ours is staying fairly level over the five years of the scheme and there's people I know who were getting far less. Best of luck anyway!

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Significant rises in each of the five years for me. Assuming it lasts five years...

 

[same crap different day]

If you're losing 60% of your payment then you must have been getting a serious amount of money before. Ours is staying fairly level over the five years of the scheme and there's people I know who were getting far less. Best of luck anyway!

If you're losing 60% of your payment then you must have been getting a serious amount of money before. Ours is staying fairly level over the five years of the scheme and there's people I know who were getting far less. Best of luck anyway!

Our payment was very good for the size of farm due to purchasing young bulls to finish alongside our own suckler bulls and make use of buildings in the summer and claiming bull and slaughter premium it was a big investment and a lot of work . And now my payment is reducing fast and others who produce f**k all and with large hectares have increased .

 

[salers]

Rely on rented ground,when the payments were set I claimed on the ground, in the intervening years ,landlords have taken the claim back and become "active farmers",but with an increase in the rent.
Mskes you wonder why we bother.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Our payment was very good for the size of farm due to purchasing young bulls to finish alongside our own suckler bulls and make use of buildings in the summer and claiming bull and slaughter premium it was a big investment and a lot of work . And now my payment is reducing fast and others who produce f**k all and with large hectares have increased .

You don't get paid for what you produce any more - that stopped in 2003. You're in the same boat as the rest of us now.

 

[Johngee]

Our stocking rate's been fairly constant for the last 15 years or so - around 1.3-1.4 LU/ha, typical for beef/sheep farms round here. Our payment was reduced a couple of years ago when they knocked 23% off. However over the course of the BPS it's supposed to remain fairly level.
It's the dairy farms who had the big payments round here, which they used to fund their expansion, buying and renting land. With a reduced BPS they're squealing now as they haven't the money to pay interest and rents they've committed to.

 

[John100]

Still waiting

 

[Only]

Still waiting

Same here

 

[Penmoel]

Significant rises in each of the five years for me. Assuming it lasts five years...

Nothing against you personally but it makes no sense what so ever that NW Snowdonia should get the same payment as the best land in Wales, you no doubt also have large Glastir payments as well to make up for the profit forgone in stock reduction, now you get more for doing more nothing.

Your luck this time around, all the same its indefensible.

Our stocking rate's been fairly constant for the last 15 years or so - around 1.3-1.4 LU/ha, typical for beef/sheep farms round here. Our payment was reduced a couple of years ago when they knocked 23% off. However over the course of the BPS it's supposed to remain fairly level.
It's the dairy farms who had the big payments round here, which they used to fund their expansion, buying and renting land. With a reduced BPS they're squealing now as they haven't the money to pay interest and rents they've committed to.

If, like us, you were on 1.4 LSU/ ha just under the old extensification limit, your payment would have been around £300 /ha. considerably more than you will be getting under the flat rate.

Stand back and wait for Silliam whale to jump on me

 

[Still Farming]

Farming subsidy's these day not agriculture ????

 

[SilliamWhale]

Nothing against you personally but it makes no sense what so ever that NW Snowdonia should get the same payment as the best land in Wales, you no doubt also have large Glastir payments as well to make up for the profit forgone in stock reduction, now you get more for doing more nothing.

Your luck this time around, all the same its indefensible.



If, like us, you were on 1.4 LSU/ ha just under the old extensification limit, your payment would have been around £300 /ha. considerably more than you will be getting under the flat rate.

Stand back and wait for Silliam whale to jump on me

Nah ill leave it now. Ive made my point and youve made yours. I think the future will be more interesting than the past. I think subsidies should stay in some form and will be interesting to see how it develops. We both want to see a reasonable future.

(Hows that for the christmas spirit eh?!)

 

[7610 super q]

Well............water under the bridge. But, I can't help but think what I could have done with £300/ ha ( £120 acre sounds better) over the last decade.......

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Nothing against you personally but it makes no sense what so ever that NW Snowdonia should get the same payment as the best land in Wales, you no doubt also have large Glastir payments as well to make up for the profit forgone in stock reduction, now you get more for doing more nothing.

Your luck this time around, all the same its indefensible.



If, like us, you were on 1.4 LSU/ ha just under the old extensification limit, your payment would have been around £300 /ha. considerably more than you will be getting under the flat rate.

Stand back and wait for Silliam whale to jump on me

I only had a unit value of 50 under the old scheme and I wasn't in Tir Gofal so I've been through a very lean time. I am enjoying spending my new found wealth on catching up with all the renewals that are needed.