Welsh Ploughing Results

Ley253

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Location
Bath
It's no good having a perfect practice plot
If you can't replicate it

I don't win many matches but now and again I do, not very often I beat the top men in fact probably never, but the one thing I never do is blame my plot,
I have looked at the scores and our man was 70 + points behind the winner over 2 days our we saying he was given bad plots both days?

I am not doubting his ability but he has represented us more than once and not won.

He must draw lots of poor plots

I stand by my original statement that until the class gets more competitive then we will be left behind.
Regarding "Not Won" He does in fact hold a world match gold medal, for the stubble at York, and would have won the overall but for one mistake on the grass.
For a plot to be replicated EVERYTHING has to be the same, not just the ploughman and equipment.
 
No need to spend on a flash tractor, if it can lift the plough and pull it, that should do. The late Doug Cross used his KV behind a grey/gold, and a B250. Plough likewise can be home built, or developed, and world style are no more expensive than a TS 86 these (crazy) days! Lack of matches is a problem,and not getting any better, mind you some societies dont help the situation by having a min number before they will run a class. One up your way will turn away two ploughmen because one more is needed! That wont promote the class, or encourage entrants.
Yeh, I guess you can do it on the cheaper side, but you do need kit that's capable of handling the plough, unless you've got some meat in the tractor the plough will mawl you about. You really need a a decent amount of spool valves otherwise you start to put yourself at a disadvantage, you then need a decent truck.....so it all adds up. I can understand the class size issue, unless your have 3+ its pretty pointless, you become a demo!
 
Plots luck of the draw wrong soil everything but the man on the seat

How do stones effect all aspects of the plot?

Yes you might have a hole in your crown or a lump in your work what about the other aspects

Have not studied the scores much but

None of the english guys finished in the top 4 so how many points did the bad plot cost?

I am not having ago at the guys as such just trying to dispel ley254 reasons for the poor performance

Give richard Ingram a world style outfit and 2 years and see what happens

As said before unless the class gets more competitive then the best only have to do enough to win and qualify for the worlds

As for matches not excepting small entries

It's up to them but I would say come along but, don't expect a judge and certainly doing expect a cup or prize money

Why should the other classes subsidies prize money for small fields

The sop should be working harder to get more competitors if they want to grow the class.
Oh yes....I'd happily support Richard going into world style.....I'l definitely stay in the vintage then!! :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
As far as luck goes well luck of draw for plot I agree but after that its down to your skill and experience of getting the best of out of kit to match the condition that not luck, as for one slip up and you've blown it that's just down to lack of ability to maintain concentration on what your are doing and is human error not luck, sometimes things don't go to plan or go your way but that's because of you and you have to be able to accept and learn from it and move on.

As for world style around the old phrase "Build it and they will come" springs to mind and I don't mean the matches to create a class for nobody to enter, tell them you're planning to go world style some of these matches will start a class and talk with other as you see there may well be another 3 or 5 people thinking the same thing and if there is a desire for a class to be created most will as they would be only to happy encourage a bold move by a few.
I kind of agree on the luck verses skill bit, what I'm saying is at the top level you simply can't afford any mistakes, and although its the skill of the ploughman to avoid the mistakes, sometimes sh!t happens ie you hit a stone, break a share, etc and then its game over. I suppose the higher skilled people can deal with the setback better, so yes skill is king.
 

Ley253

Member
Location
Bath
Yeh, I guess you can do it on the cheaper side, but you do need kit that's capable of handling the plough, unless you've got some meat in the tractor the plough will mawl you about. You really need a a decent amount of spool valves otherwise you start to put yourself at a disadvantage, you then need a decent truck.....so it all adds up. I can understand the class size issue, unless your have 3+ its pretty pointless, you become a demo!
My tractor is not that big, its also of a non preferred make, so was cheap. Spool valves, I have five, a new five service block was £130 when I checked up recently, but mine came from a scrap fork lift. My truck is 32 years old, so can be insured on a vintage policy. Demo or not, you are there to be seen, that could interest some one to join, so increasing the numbers in years to come. Shutting people out does nothing.A cheap caravan can save a fortune in fuel costs, and of course B&B costs.
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
My tractor is not that big, its also of a non preferred make, so was cheap. Spool valves, I have five, a new five service block was £130 when I checked up recently, but mine came from a scrap fork lift. My truck is 32 years old, so can be insured on a vintage policy. Demo or not, you are there to be seen, that could interest some one to join, so increasing the numbers in years to come. Shutting people out does nothing.A cheap caravan can save a fortune in fuel costs, and of course B&B costs.
Harry, you obviously get immense pleasure from your pastime, especially as your equipment is basic and largely self made, but you are not exactly top of the tree. You may be offering a way in with minimal expenditure but perhaps not a way to the ultimate goal. Whatever floats your boat and gives you pleasure but to hit the top rung requires more I feel plus the tail wind of good luck and fair play of which there is very little I feel..
 

Ley253

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Location
Bath
Harry, you obviously get immense pleasure from your pastime, especially as your equipment is basic and largely self made, but you are not exactly top of the tree. You may be offering a way in with minimal expenditure but perhaps not a way to the ultimate goal. Whatever floats your boat and gives you pleasure but to hit the top rung requires more I feel plus the tail wind of good luck and fair play of which there is very little I feel..
To be honest, my equipment is in advance in some areas, were it to be fitted with 25 bodies, it would be as good as any, and that is not my description, its comes from one of the respected Hereford men. As an example, in the Hereford spring match, I was only one point behind DC, RG NV on the start, and I didnt finish last, even in that company. Because I built the plough from scrap, there are advantages, for example, I only had a 14" beam, that required more spacers, but has given me more width adjustment. I can widen the plough far enough for the grassland opening with little effort. I had to make a cross shaft as the headstock frame I had was worn, I made a longer one, and so can go from one two two furrows, and back without leaving the tractor seat. No Bob, the only reason I am as you quite rightly say, a lesser light is the nut behind the steering wheel, IE myself!
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
To be honest, my equipment is in advance in some areas, were it to be fitted with 25 bodies, it would be as good as any, and that is not my description, its comes from one of the respected Hereford men. As an example, in the Hereford spring match, I was only one point behind DC, RG NV on the start, and I didnt finish last, even in that company. Because I built the plough from scrap, there are advantages, for example, I only had a 14" beam, that required more spacers, but has given me more width adjustment. I can widen the plough far enough for the grassland opening with little effort. I had to make a cross shaft as the headstock frame I had was worn, I made a longer one, and so can go from one two two furrows, and back without leaving the tractor seat. No Bob, the only reason I am as you quite rightly say, a lesser light is the nut behind the steering wheel, IE myself!
Fair and honest reply but you have to admit that the regular winners need more in every category and for many this is beyond them. It is the same in every category of ploughing but the water gets muddier and deeper in world style.
 
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Ley253

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Location
Bath
Fair and honest reply but you have to admit that the regular winners need more in every category and for many this is beyond them. It is the same in every category of ploughing but the water gets muddier and deeper in world style.
Not just world style, before that it was whole work. The late John Gwilliam was at the FFF&B match, (late 50`s) and had won it hands down. A couple of locals walked up and said" You have won this lad, but you wont get the prize, the fellow next to you will, he is the landowners son, and your judge is the farm foreman! John never forgot that, and as far as I know, never ploughed there again, though he did judge in later years
Main thing is attention to detail, when I am tasked with instructing, I tell people that " That will do, wont, its the wrong attitude, perfection is only just good enough, and is the level to strive for. There are few true match ploughmen, but many tractor drivers!
 

IH574

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The why is because they did not perform

The solution

Form a management team to run the job

Select the top 6 Englishman from each discipline at spend time trying new techniques and spend money on equipment that is owned by the team so anyone can use it to represent the country

Selecting the representative from one match over 2 days does not always guarantee the best man goes forward as it can be manipulated to easily

The world style in England is to small so they are not pushed to get better

Take the vintage classes its a growing pool do as the older ones leave the younger guys are ready to step up

My short term suggestion would be get Ashley Boyles and Billy Perkiss and send they to the next 3 world matches and concentrate on getting them the best you can.

Suggest team managers would be former top men

Set up a dedicated workshop (sponsor by a plough manufacture)?

Food for thought but it won't happen because the current system provides the chosen few with a holiday or to each year.
Your views on the national results this year? And the standards?
 
The results from the national this year were wet feet in my case, but my hat and coat seem to work well..... :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

In all seriousness, given the conditions we were ploughing in on Sunday I think everyone did a great job! I thought some of the classic ploughing looked excellent....and anyone who ploughs with horses deserved a medal!
 

Howard150

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Yorkshire
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I believe anybody can enter the world style classes at the British National no matter what there nationality or were they permanently reside, same goes for the vintage and classic classes but that have to be the highest placed competitor at a qualifier match who hasn't already qualified already.

Not so and has been that way since Penrith. Competitors from Wales and Scotland can and do. Irish competitors cannot and have a right to be upset over the way they were excluded.

Several anomalies exist. English, Irish and Welsh competitors can plough in the Scottish Worldstyle but only on the first day.
 

Lurker

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Not so and has been that way since Penrith. Competitors from Wales and Scotland can and do. Irish competitors cannot and have a right to be upset over the way they were excluded.

Several anomalies exist. English, Irish and Welsh competitors can plough in the Scottish Worldstyle but only on the first day.
Why just the first day?
 

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