We're going on a sire hunt - AHDB and NMR are offering a reward for missing AI bulls

[jade35]

£50 if you have the first straw found for any of the listed bulls.

Apologies if posted before but this was in our NMR paperwork and thought it might be of interest to any one with an older flask and the occasional old straw.

https://www.nmr.co.uk/uploads/files/files/376 NMR-Were going on a Sire Hunt leaflet-A4-Portrait-proof-v8.pdf


Have you found a missing straw?
Email [email protected] to notify us, find out if you have won and for
more info on how to send the AI straws to us.
All claims must be received no later than 31st August 2018

 

[Spear]

Says page does exist

 

[organicguy]

Really disappointed, I've got some really old friesian semen but they don't want it!

 

[farmertom]

Really disappointed, I've got some really old friesian semen but they don't want it!

Hi there , what old Friesian semen do you have , I might be interested.

 

[jade35]

Says page does exist

@Spear it works for me otherwise go through Google and type in 'We're going on a sire hunt NMR' and that should find the pdf.

 

[jade35]

Really disappointed, I've got some really old friesian semen but they don't want it!

Perhaps they are worried they are too resistant to the bacterium

 

[cattow]

I think I've got 6 Friesian bulls on the list

 

[jade35]

I think I've got 6 Friesian bulls on the list

Do you have the straws though?

 

[cattow]

Do you have the straws though?

Yes, the bulls are long gone, some of the bulls on the list are natural service only

 

[Spear]

Hmmm. Had long discussion with vet about this a year or two ago when we had big problems with Tb.
He’d spoken to experts in “natural resistance “ of animals and they said animals only had “x” amount of genetic disposition to natural immunity. This may be split into many different areas ie lameness fertility problems, disease resistance etc. But overall it was the same for each animal. So breeding for 1 trait leads to others weakening.

It’s natures way of giving different species a chance to survive emerging threats.

It’s far more important to limit exposure to Tb than try to breed it out as while you’re doing that something else will come along and take its place

 

[slim pickins]

Got Chapel Banks Apache

 

[borderterribles]

I have straws from six Jerseys on the list.Three turned out to be sacks of sh**, and £50 each ain't enough for the others! Am pretty sure which they'd be interested in.

 

[jade35]

I have straws from six Jerseys on the list.Three turned out to be sacks of sh**, and £50 each ain't enough for the others! Am pretty sure which they'd be interested in.

Contact them and see what they say The sacks of sh** may have been thrown away by everyone else!

 

[Princess Pooper]

Hmmm. Had long discussion with vet about this a year or two ago when we had big problems with Tb.
He’d spoken to experts in “natural resistance “ of animals and they said animals only had “x” amount of genetic disposition to natural immunity. This may be split into many different areas ie lameness fertility problems, disease resistance etc. But overall it was the same for each animal. So breeding for 1 trait leads to others weakening.

It’s natures way of giving different species a chance to survive emerging threats.

It’s far more important to limit exposure to Tb than try to breed it out as while you’re doing that something else will come along and take its place

I don't think there is any suggestion that it can be 'bred out' as everyone knows that if you select on one trait only then others will suffer. However, choosing a bull that is negative for TB advantage would be a backwards step. I full agree about limiting exposure but if as a result of breeding decisions one can lose less animals in the face of a breakdown then that is a good thing.

 

[Princess Pooper]

Contact them and see what they say The sacks of sh** may have been thrown away by everyone else!

Perhaps they threw away the baby with the bathwater.....

 

[organicguy]

Hi there , what old Friesian semen do you have , I might be interested.

Got a few < 10 of Holmland Adema, Maybar Juniper, Foxhole Panetella, Holmland Mariner. The last two were found floating in the tank!

 

[DocPhil001]

Got a few < 10 of Holmland Adema, Maybar Juniper, Foxhole Panetella, Holmland Mariner. The last two were found floating in the tank!

I remember father using foxhole panetella years ago.

 

[organicguy]

I remember father using foxhole panetella years ago.

He was a great bull. We used him in 3 batches we were so pleased with them, they went on forever. Only fault was fore teat placement was a bit wide, has taken a while to get teats back under udder. It is the reason I have not used Chad. My cows have enough faults without adding extras.

 

[RushesToo]

This is really good news, the data has been stuck into a large database and they are looking for genetic traits that seem to have resistance to TB, these genes are gold dust and sought.
One of these samples may give us TB resistance and the bad traits can be bred out easily.

This seriousness of approach is credit to the ADHB. Thank you @jade35 for giving me a better feeling about them.

If you have the straws, please offer them. You should do it for the cost of the straw alone, but the chance of £50 is a mere encouragement to offer what you have.

 

[jade35]

I agree it is interesting research @RushesToo but....... how do you factor in all the variables re an animal coming into contact with tb and then being resistant due to a genetic trait? There are just too many variables, the main one being did all those animals that are being used for the research actually come into contact with the tb bacteria? Looking at a group of cows there are some that eat and then lie down, the ones that eat and then go around the hedges, ones who are more inquisitive and the ones who are pushed away by the bigger/older/bully cows. Which cows are at the highest risk of coming in contact with the bacteria and is this a result of the sire, environment or age/position in the herd?

It is also dependent on where the infection has been picked up, badgers piddling along the feed troughs in the winter, a cow that ate tb infected grass from the same source or cows that are near badger latrines. Logic says that you are more likely to get reactors if more animals are eating from an infected food source/trough but how can the raw figures show that?

I am still trying to understand how they will quantify the various risk factors and exposure rates to make the data meaningful but at least they are trying.