Wet conditions direct drilling option

Spud

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
YO62
On fert, our df1 is wide open at 500kg on a 1.83m bed, beyond that, the wheel skips. 5kph and 300kg/ha is fine.

So at that, and sure, grain is easier to meter than fert, 200kg seed at 6-7kph is going to be the limit, without a second metering unit.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
It won't be heavy with no packers or seed hopper.
The rear wheels won't be running on clean undisturbed stubble will they?
iirc people fit cleated tyres in place of the car tyres to keep them running cleaner for longer?

it doesn’t disturb much so the tyres should still be in stubble mostly

I think if we get to the point where this would not travel then we are probably better of not drilling at all
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
On fert, our df1 is wide open at 500kg on a 1.83m bed, beyond that, the wheel skips. 5kph and 300kg/ha is fine.

So at that, and sure, grain is easier to meter than fert, 200kg seed at 6-7kph is going to be the limit, without a second metering unit.

If you change the gears between meter drive and land wheel you can alter that

see other thread where I’ve been helped on that today

if it’s anything close to 10kph I will be happy - faster with a tine causes too much disturbance for my liking
 

Spud

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
YO62
If you change the gears between meter drive and land wheel you can alter that

see other thread where I’ve been helped on that today

if it’s anything close to 10kph I will be happy - faster with a tine causes too much disturbance for my liking

I've been metering fert with a df1 for 11yrs, higher gearing and higher forward speeds both make the wheel more liable to slip, which obvs affects rate applied. A lot of large drills fed by front hoppers have two units and/or two pipes running back.

Unless you're only putting tiny amounts of seed on, you won't get near 10kph.
 

Martin Holden

Member
Trade
Location
Cheltenham
will let you know!

Andy Guest thinks a single unit is ok for 24 coulters - as we are on a 25cm spacing with et low disturbance points that's how many we have so hopefully it will be ok. Possibly speed limited but the only way to find out is try I guess
Sorry to be thick, but when you say 25cm spacing are the Coulter’s fanning the seed out over a wider drill than 25cm’s or are you really on double normal row spacing?
 
What you really want clive is a set up like old krm optidrill ,with its small hopper and metering unit sat on top of drill ,and then front hopper as a transfer ,
This what we are aiming to build ,
How do dders and these wide spaced rows ,deal with weed competition ,still like the 12:5 cm spacing
 

Lufin

Member
Location
Derby
will let you know!

Andy Guest thinks a single unit is ok for 24 coulters - as we are on a 25cm spacing with et low disturbance points that's how many we have so hopefully it will be ok. Possibly speed limited but the only way to find out is try I guess
Hi Clive, Could you not adapt the bottom of the DF1 hopper to take the metering unit off the cart? Mount the modules onto the coulter frame of the co? And then continue to use the agtron system off the radar.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Sorry to be thick but why won’t your normal drill work , look a fair bit off kit in the summer on your video on here

disc drills are not ideal in wet conditions and they are also heavy

I would still rather use our avatar but if it simply doesn’t dry up this is the plan b option , it’s much lighter and better balanced with front hopper
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Hi Clive, Could you not adapt the bottom of the DF1 hopper to take the metering unit off the cart? Mount the modules onto the coulter frame of the co? And then continue to use the agtron system off the radar.

possibly with some fabrication yes - I didn’t want to chop up the cart as I’m trying to build this so it could be used with cart or front hopper ... or both in the future maybe ??
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
I've been metering fert with a df1 for 11yrs, higher gearing and higher forward speeds both make the wheel more liable to slip, which obvs affects rate applied. A lot of large drills fed by front hoppers have two units and/or two pipes running back.

Unless you're only putting tiny amounts of seed on, you won't get near 10kph.

Our 4m 750a had the same accord unit - it could cope with 300kgs at 12-14kph

We might be limited on spied - will be at 200kgs if we do drill with this next week which isn’t really extreme rates

if no good will have to look at grafting the co unit to the hopper somehow i guess
 

Lufin

Member
Location
Derby
possibly with some fabrication yes - I didn’t want to chop up the cart as I’m trying to build this so it could be used with cart or front hopper ... or both in the future maybe ??
Our co6 is a single hopper and 4 bolts would take the metering unit off yours, must be a different set up. Our plan was to mount all modules and radar on the coulter frame so we could easily put the cart on or off as we wanted.
 

Bob lincs

Member
Arable Farmer
I really don’t think a df1 is going to be able to cope with 6m . We had a weaving 6m time drill that was 6m on a single metering unit but it was a lot bigger than the Accord one . Weaving twin front hoppers are not that expensive if you want off the shelf and they are very good and fitted with Artimis .
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
What you really want clive is a set up like old krm optidrill ,with its small hopper and metering unit sat on top of drill ,and then front hopper as a transfer ,
This what we are aiming to build ,
How do dders and these wide spaced rows ,deal with weed competition ,still like the 12:5 cm spacing

wider rows could be a.issue I guess if you have a grass weed problem

we don’t have a grass weed issue and broadleaf pressure is lower when you disturb less soil
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
I really don’t think a df1 is going to be able to cope with 6m . We had a weaving 6m time drill that was 6m on a single metering unit but it was a lot bigger than the Accord one . Weaving twin front hoppers are not that expensive if you want off the shelf and they are very good and fitted with Artimis .

maybe right - will soon find out and cross that bridge if it is just too slow

fan was coping in a test earlier in the yard getting seed to all coulters ok

it’s only 24 coulters even though it’s 6m remember
 

KennyO

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Angus
With my front hopper on fert it is blowing the bloody stuff that is the problem. 3m drill, 300kg you will be limited to about 8k.
You soon know as you start to see it gathering in the flexy pipe off hopper.

What size of pipework have you used @Clive 5" transfer pipes on later machines were better. A bigger fan off a df2 might help too.

I seem to recall the fan speed on my df2 when I had it was 3500rpm.
 
Been putting this together for use in case this rain doesn’t stop and it remains to wet f a disc drill here

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this is our low disturbance converted Co6 we had already with the existing trailed seed and liquid fert cart dropped off, drawbar modified to connect directly to the tractor and an old DF1 hopper on the front linkage

Still a bit of refinement to be done yet but think it will work. ?
Looks good
 

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