Wetherspoons EU work visa

Ncap

Member
Boo hoo! My heart bleeds for him. (Was actually just emailing a friend in Scandinavia and laughing at the irony of this very story.)
 

JimAndy

Member
Location
portadown
Poor old Tim, apparently finding it difficult to recruit bar staff, wants a visa system as for some reason EU labour not wanting to work in the UK any more.
Tad ironic, any idea why?

i wonder the fact people don't want to work for him has to do with him telling the to "f**koff he not paying them and they can get a job in Tesco"

and(while i can't speak for all ex bar staff) i had a friend who was a chef and now works in Tesco and he just does not want to go back to being a chef. he has better more sociable hours, better family life. better pay
 

Ashtree

Member
My friend works in recruitment in a large UK hospital trust. She says the current capacity and ability to retain existing staff and recruit new staff, is in a calamitous position right now. Covid of course is a complicating factor. That said, the problem is much, much deeper. EU citizens have turned away from UK as a place to work and study. The necessity for new paperwork and formalities to make the move to UK, makes them feel vulnerable and unwelcome no matter what the real situation is on the ground. Recent headlines about EU entrants to UK, being detained etc, etc, is seriously spooking would be new medical staff from EU.

Still, I suppose if you are ill or old or both, lying in hospital with much finished care due to staff shortages, you can always close your eyes and think quietly to yourself “at least I’m sovereign”!
 

Pasty

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Location
Devon
It’s all good news for anyone that wants work. My daughter is picking up a lot of part time work she’s been working at Stamford Bridge and the Emirates. Done some work at Goodwood and Epsom and has two weeks work lined up at Wimbledon previously it was quite hard for students to get this work.
The government has created a situation where there is very little incentive to work. Zee Great Reset is underway.
 
My friend works in recruitment in a large UK hospital trust. She says the current capacity and ability to retain existing staff and recruit new staff, is in a calamitous position right now. Covid of course is a complicating factor. That said, the problem is much, much deeper. EU citizens have turned away from UK as a place to work and study. The necessity for new paperwork and formalities to make the move to UK, makes them feel vulnerable and unwelcome no matter what the real situation is on the ground. Recent headlines about EU entrants to UK, being detained etc, etc, is seriously spooking would be new medical staff from EU.

Still, I suppose if you are ill or old or both, lying in hospital with much finished care due to staff shortages, you can always close your eyes and think quietly to yourself “at least I’m sovereign”!


If it is anything to do with the NHS I can understand why no fudger wants to work for any part of the NHS given my experiences of late.

In reality there is absolutely no problem recruiting and sourcing new staff if you are able to look internationally (and I don't mean within the EU). My other hospital has no issue sourcing and recruiting international staff and does so on a regular basis, the key difference being it is privately owned and has a competent human resources team.

There are plenty of international healthcare workers worldwide, very skilled and very hard working, why the heck everything has to be 'EU' 'EU' 'EU' I have no idea and I will never understand why the UK or any country should give preference to EU nationals when an Indian nurse will be as equally skilled as a French, German or Scandinavian one. Much of the social care system operates using nurses or healthcare assistants (which is what I do) sourced from Asia or the Americas.

In conclusion then, I fear your post is largely remainer-orientated bilge.
 

Pasty

Member
Location
Devon
how is it "remainer" bitterness, if i remember right Tim was hardcore Brexiter
Because you can't put it down and seek sarcasm at every opportunity. There are thousands of people in the UK who could work for Tim but the government are paying them better to stay at home.
 
Lets face it, low pay jobs at or around minimum wage are not attractive to grown adults, who here would be able and willing to survive, long term, on less than £80 a day in wages? It's a fudging joke and I have little sympathy for employers 'who can't find staff'- 'people should be flocking for this job, I don't understand it blah blah'. Maybe they should try offering a half sensible wage? This isn't the 1960s any more.
 
i wonder the fact people don't want to work for him has to do with him telling the to "fudgeoff he not paying them and they can get a job in Tesco"

and(while i can't speak for all ex bar staff) i had a friend who was a chef and now works in Tesco and he just does not want to go back to being a chef. he has better more sociable hours, better family life. better pay

One of my friends also was a Pub Head Chef when the pandemic began - He now cooks in a care home and the residents are over the moon with the variety and standard of meals he produces meals - And he has evenings with his family...
 

Pasty

Member
Location
Devon
Lets face it, low pay jobs at or around minimum wage are not attractive to grown adults, who here would be able and willing to survive, long term, on less than £80 a day in wages? It's a fudging joke and I have little sympathy for employers 'who can't find staff'- 'people should be flocking for this job, I don't understand it blah blah'. Maybe they should try offering a half sensible wage? This isn't the 1960s any more.
You can't, especially if you are having to pay child support and have a mortgage etc. Plus you are working all the unsociable hours. It's a bit of a joke really.
 

Bongodog

Member
Why is it a surprise that the likes of Wetherspoons are struggling to get staff, after all they are low budget establishments that scrimp on wages, ingredients and everything to knock out cheap pints and cheap meals. Last week we had a few days away in a smallish town centre hotel with an all day coffee bar and restaurant, they had plenty of staff, but I'm sure they treated them and paid them rather better than Spoons.
 

Lowland1

Member
Mixed Farmer
If it is anything to do with the NHS I can understand why no fudger wants to work for any part of the NHS given my experiences of late.

In reality there is absolutely no problem recruiting and sourcing new staff if you are able to look internationally (and I don't mean within the EU). My other hospital has no issue sourcing and recruiting international staff and does so on a regular basis, the key difference being it is privately owned and has a competent human resources team.

There are plenty of international healthcare workers worldwide, very skilled and very hard working, why the heck everything has to be 'EU' 'EU' 'EU' I have no idea and I will never understand why the UK or any country should give preference to EU nationals when an Indian nurse will be as equally skilled as a French, German or Scandinavian one. Much of the social care system operates using nurses or healthcare assistants (which is what I do) sourced from Asia or the Americas.

In conclusion then, I fear your post is largely remainer-orientated bilge.
My father in law who ran a cottage hospital in Kenya was always losing nursing staff to either the UK or USA there was a real demand for qualified staff. The nurses were paid much much more than they could ever get in Kenya but in return they worked far harder than the local staff ever would and would do all the jobs that nurses in the UK wouldn’t do as they were too qualified. My experience with the NHS bore this out the doctors and nurses were all pretty useless.
 

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