What’s your reason for wanting brexit to happen?

Werzle

Member
Location
Midlands
as above really. With bad news being told weekly of big firms exiting the uk,and a tough few years forecasted why do you want to see brexit happen?
Things will get naughty in the run up to october , some pro eu firms and wealthy individuals will go all out in there anti brexit propaganda including sacking workers to force there message and influence government. Time to hold firm , deliver democracy and leave. Local paper is full of jobs
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
I quite simply believe the United Kingdom has no place in organisation that is set on becoming "the United States of Europe".
Ditto, plus I dislike the authoritarian and deliberately undemocratic system upon which the EU is based. Plus, in terms of history, law, language, religion (being an atheist I write that for others) and politics the British have far more in common with the average bloke walking down the street in Sydney, Wellington, Edmonton or Omaha than with those over in Europe.

Let's have free trade by all means and cooperation in other areas where mutually beneficial; but let's not be a vassal sending large amounts of our money to directly subsidise our nearest competitors - at all, but more especially while there is a hell of a lot that needs spending on over here.
 

MiJ

Member
Location
w.mids
My reason was to force our own emasculated Parliament to govern us - locally.
Far easier to physically get hold of our own MP’s than going over/under the sea!
Sadly my main fear has been realised - our elected reps have completely forgotten their role.
 

Two Tone

Member
Mixed Farmer
And yet the UK government did just that FAIL
When can I and all my fellow Scottish farmers get our cash fae England?
Did the UK Government FAIL because too many of them were addicted to EU?
Or is it that they cannot accept the will of the people?

Whichever, no Government will ever succeed if having had a referendum asking its people to make a decision, then proceeds to delay or ignore it.

When can I and all my fellow Scottish farmers get our cash fae England?
Please explain.
 

capfits

Member
@Two Tone firstly if you do not wish to taking the addicting SFP, BPS simply do not fill in your forms. Bet you do though eh? What for to donate to the local machinery dealers etc?

Secondly you contend that the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) is unequal. Fair enough why should we get payments for crops that would simply fail here like tobacco? But, yet the mighty fine sovereign government that you uphold compared to those pesky unfair Europeans did just that when Scotland was allocated what is called "convergence funds" DEFRA merely pocked it rather than pass it on to target, Scottish producers.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news...lion-of-eu-payments-owed-to-scottish-farmers/
https://www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk...receive-160-million-lost-convergence-funding/

So when will me and my fellow Scottish producers get our money?
Approx 80k would come here for the outstanding period.

And whilst we are at it, not one single Scottish constituency voted in favour of Brexit.
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
Whichever, no Government will ever succeed if having had a referendum asking its people to make a decision, then proceeds to delay or ignore it.

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Because it was an idiotic open question that could be interpreted however you wanted it to. As I have said before, 3 members of my family voted leave each for a totally different reason. One would now vote remain, one would probably not bother voting and one would probably still vote leave. With that in mind we must have a second referendum or a GE otherwise the country will disintegrate though this endless stagnation.
 
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Two Tone

Member
Mixed Farmer
@Two Tone firstly if you do not wish to taking the addicting SFP, BPS simply do not fill in your forms. Bet you do though eh? What for to donate to the local machinery dealers etc?

Secondly you contend that the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) is unequal. Fair enough why should we get payments for crops that would simply fail here like tobacco? But, yet the mighty fine sovereign government that you uphold compared to those pesky unfair Europeans did just that when Scotland was allocated what is called "convergence funds" DEFRA merely pocked it rather than pass it on to target, Scottish producers.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news...lion-of-eu-payments-owed-to-scottish-farmers/
https://www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk...receive-160-million-lost-convergence-funding/

So when will me and my fellow Scottish producers get our money?
Approx 80k would come here for the outstanding period.

And whilst we are at it, not one single Scottish constituency voted in favour of Brexit.
Sounds like a stitch up to me. And Michael Gove is Scottish too!
Sorry, I can't answer your question as to when or even if you will get paid.

I appreciate that not a single Scottish Constituency voted for Brexit. (Yet in the last referendum of 1975, the situation was completely reversed). Out of interest, if there was Indyref 2 and Scotland voted to become independent, then presumably it would be free to stay in the EU.
I appreciate it isn't as simple as that, but just suppose it was.
More importantly, if it were simple, would this be what you and your fellow Scottish farmers would like?

Ironically, this would then show an overwhelming majority in England, Wales and Northern Ireland that voted Leave getting their wish too.

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Two Tone

Member
Mixed Farmer
I just want a future that allows the common man


Because it was an idiotic open question that could be interpreted however you wanted it to. As I have said before, 3 members of my family voted leave each for a totally different reason. One would now vote remain, one would probably not bother voting and one would probably still vote leave. With that in mind we must have a second referendum or a GE otherwise the country will disintegrate though this endless stagnation.
If there were a 2nd referendum, I would argue that there are many who voted Remain last time who would vote Leave now just to get it over and done with.

I also suspect that there may well be a General Election before too long. Especially if Bercow keeps sticking his oar in.
But what the result would be and what Government we end up with (probably a coalition) I'm not sure.

Interesting times!
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
A good job for the uk?
The voters have had long enough to see and make up their minds as to wheather they like what the EU do, and if they like being part of the EU. Seemingly not enough voters do like it.

I think that everyone who voted (in or out), voted for their own credible reasons and reasoning, and no-one was wrong.

Someone who voted remain was quite correct to do so if they thought the UK economy might be more stable, or because they liked free movement of people, or they thought the EU is good for peace, etc. etc. Likewise, someone who voted leave was also quite correct to do do if they didn't like free movement of people, or paying the EU subs, or wanted to leave the customs union and get UK negotiated trade deals, etc. etc.

I forget the exact figure, is it something like trade with the EU only accounts for about 5% of UK GDP and shrinking??

Most trade is within the UK. I get my books done by my accountant, I sell milling wheat to the UK mill, they sell the bread to Tesco, my accountant buys the bread from Tesco, Tesco have their accounts audited by a UK accountant, etc, etc. The money and business goes round in circles within the UK.

45% of our exports going to the EU and then leaving the single market sounds a rather drastic step, until you realise that it is such a small proportion of our GDP.

So is leaving the single market and customs union REALLY all so important to the prosperity of the UK? Probably not at all critical.

I'd purchased Lithan fertiliser for years, but after the pound devalued I've bought UK manufactured N ever since, putting cash into the UK economy.

So, a good job for the UK? Well i don't think it will be particularly bad. Just maybe different to what we have been used to.

No mayter what the EU might currently be saying, I think that if we were decisive and put them on no-deal for a bit, then they'd soon want to do a deal.

Leave the single market, leave customs union, say we will uphold the Good Friday agreement and the UK won't enforce a hard border in Ireland. If the EU want to enforce a hard border in Ireland then that would be up to them. EU would be frightened to death that the UK would remove tarriffs and quotas from China, South America etc, and that goods would pass through the UK then across the open Irish border, UK then becoming a VERY PROFITABLE trading gateway into the EU. EU say they don't want a hard border in Ireland. The EU would be begging us for a trade deal in my opinion. We just need a good decisive Prime Minister and parliament with a backbone.
 
Some small farmers are envious of how well, larger farmers have done.

I don't see that changing either. With or without Brexit.

A few faliures may even wish a Corbyn goverment on us.

I can't see the attraction of Brexit, we (most of the country) were doing well, one of the richest countries in the world, with lots of freedom.

I love the USA. But having seen what American venture capital has done to NHS dentistry (My Dentist) & would like to do with our local GP pratices. I'd like to keep them at arms length.

Not to mention all the subsidised farm produce they want to bury us in.
 

Jackov Altraids

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Because almost everyone believes it needs reforming and very few believe it ever will.

The EU should be the arbitrators of a common market and the facilitator of evermore cooperation between nation states.
It should be given a remit by it's member to conduct international affairs while remaining neutral on internal matters.

It has become a political entity with desires for ever greater finances and power. It has a veil of democracy but there isn't a mechanism by which the populace can choose or change it's policies.
For 30 years, the Union brought us all closer together but forcing us closer together is causing division and unrest across the continent.
Virtually all the conflicts I can think of in the last 50 years have been due to nations wanting independence from over-barring governance that didn't respect and allow for historical and cultural differences. The very things that make it most difficult to leave are the very reasons why we need to.

I think the answer to the Brexit problem should be to assume we will leave in October unless a deal can be agreed and commit to a referendum on joining a EU when it has reformed to certain criteria.
 

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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