What’s your reason for wanting brexit to happen?

arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
44% and shrinking
You are confusing exports with GDP. Not only are exports shrinking but services which also contribute towards GDP are also stifled by EU bureaucracy and regulation. Furthermore, if your exports are falling in one direction and you have identified a serious flaw in the system you would seek other markets unless you were trying to commit financial suicide. Is this what Australia did when we joined the EEC ?
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
I love the USA. But having seen what American venture capital has done to NHS dentistry (My Dentist) & would like to do with our local GP pratices. I'd like to keep them at arms length.

Not to mention all the subsidised farm produce they want to bury us in.

The first target for the Americans is apparently NICE, hence Trumps shot across the UK's bows about US patients subsiding the NHS. He wants NICE done away with to remove their bargaining power and testing for value for money. This will bring big benefits to US corporate healthcare providers. :mad:
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
The thought of our military ( army ,Royal Navy & RAF ) reporting to some unelected bcrats in Brussels fills me with dread.
Hence I want out of the EU & a possible EU military machine for our armed forces.

Agreed, but that’s a whole scare story in itself. Project Fear, with no basis in reality. If that’s your reason for voting out, you’ve been conned.
 

uztrac

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
fakenham-norfolk
Agreed, but that’s a whole scare story in itself. Project Fear, with no basis in reality. If that’s your reason for voting out, you’ve been conned.
That was the story put around by remainers 3years ago.Anyway I was a UKIP member many moons ago & now am a Brexit Party supporter,so roll on Halloween !!!!
 

arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
Agreed, but that’s a whole scare story in itself. Project Fear, with no basis in reality. If that’s your reason for voting out, you’ve been conned.
It will be interesting to see what happens when fiscal and monetary union are enforced. Do you deny that this is part of the agenda?
 
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arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
I find it very useful talking in the same monetary language as so many of our euro friends(y)
I agree but the problem is the baggage that goes with it. In the eyes of the EU it is an essential piece of the jigsaw which represents a means to their chosen end. It is no use denying this and herein lies the problem. The status quo is not an available option despite what Highland Mule implies. Further integration is the aim and I want no part of it.
 
Was in secondary school when we joined Europe and did Higher Modern Stidies (Scotland ) in one year in sixth year. My main understanding of the European Union at that time was that being part of a club, understanding one another both economically and militarily might help to prevent another war in Europe as wars have occurred frequently in the past between neighbouring countries .

Mr Putin must be loving watching the break up of Europe as he works away (while we argue) picking up more bits of the old U.S.S.R. He is already probing away here with his airforce as the local Typhoons are scrambled on a regular basis to intercept Russian aircraft and we are about to have Poisidon maritime aircraft stationed locally after the new Nimrod was scrapped and suddenly again we need to keep an eye on the North Atlantic for submarines again.

Watching the current Chernobyl drama on tv has only strengthend my view that we need to stay together in Europe for lots of reasons. Agriculture will be a loser when we leave in spite of assumed less bureaucracy.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
It will be interesting to see what happens when fiscal and monetary union are enforced. Do you deny that this is part of the agenda?

I'll have to get back to you on that, I haven't checked the specifics of that recently, and wouldn't want to misquote the legal position. Do you concede that the whole threat of being forced to join an EU army is a lie put about by the leave campaigners? To help, any collaboration would (under law) require an act of parliament and a referendum.
 

MiJ

Member
Location
w.mids
Was in secondary school when we joined Europe and did Higher Modern Stidies (Scotland ) in one year in sixth year. My main understanding of the European Union at that time was that being part of a club, understanding one another both economically and militarily might help to prevent another war in Europe as wars have occurred frequently in the past between neighbouring countries .

Mr Putin must be loving watching the break up of Europe as he works away (while we argue) picking up more bits of the old U.S.S.R. He is already probing away here with his airforce as the local Typhoons are scrambled on a regular basis to intercept Russian aircraft and we are about to have Poisidon maritime aircraft stationed locally after the new Nimrod was scrapped and suddenly again we need to keep an eye on the North Atlantic for submarines again.

Watching the current Chernobyl drama on tv has only strengthend my view that we need to stay together in Europe for lots of reasons. Agriculture will be a loser when we leave in spite of assumed less bureaucracy.

Why do you think the EU will survive when the USSR didn’t?
More likely to be skirmishes if we are forced to stay together - think some marriages!
Britain is lucky to have a sea boundary, but note the term “Mainland” when referring to the joined up EU countries.
We are considered a mere offshoot island, but that will be to our huge advantage in the long term.
 

arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
Was in secondary school when we joined Europe and did Higher Modern Stidies (Scotland ) in one year in sixth year. My main understanding of the European Union at that time was that being part of a club, understanding one another both economically and militarily might help to prevent another war in Europe as wars have occurred frequently in the past between neighbouring countries .

Mr Putin must be loving watching the break up of Europe as he works away (while we argue) picking up more bits of the old U.S.S.R. He is already probing away here with his airforce as the local Typhoons are scrambled on a regular basis to intercept Russian aircraft and we are about to have Poisidon maritime aircraft stationed locally after the new Nimrod was scrapped and suddenly again we need to keep an eye on the North Atlantic for submarines again.

Watching the current Chernobyl drama on tv has only strengthend my view that we need to stay together in Europe for lots of reasons. Agriculture will be a loser when we leave in spite of assumed less bureaucracy.
I don`t think that Putin is the problem, at least in the short term. The real danger lies within. The alliance within the EU is estranged and slowly crumbling and mirrors European integration attempts of the nineteenth century leading to the problems of the twentieth century. Forcing uneasy relationships is a recipe for disaster and unrest. The Soviet block experienced just that and so did the Roman empire. Ignore history at your peril.
The European project has not prevented hostility in Europe, nuclear weapons have. All this cyber warfare is the modern way because it does not kill anybody in a direct sense. It does not destroy the planet but it gives powerful advantages,
 

bobk

Member
Location
stafford
The D DAY comemorations have been a timely reminder of how easy the brexit decision is , we sent 160,000 men to a possible death to save Democracy and Freedom .. not to save their little club .
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
Why do you think the EU will survive when the USSR didn’t?
More likely to be skirmishes if we are forced to stay together - think some marriages!
Britain is lucky to have a sea boundary, but note the term “Mainland” when referring to the joined up EU countries.
We are considered a mere offshoot island, but that will be to our huge advantage in the long term.

Not being in a union hasn't exactly helped us avoid being drawn into European wars much in the past. So at least if you are at the table you have some influence.
 

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