What are we scared of?

[JimAndy]

Which independent experts were there to verify this? I think we've been falling for Russian propaganda about how good its forces and weapons are.

on the anti sat part

Russia’s anti-satellite test should lead to a multilateral ban

On 15 November, Russia conducted a direct-ascent anti-satellite (DA-ASAT) test, destroying one of its own space objects, a defunct satellite, in low-earth orbit.

www.sipri.org

Russian anti-satellite missile test draws condemnation

The US says Russia "recklessly" destroyed a satellite, endangering astronauts in space.

www.bbc.co.uk

Why Russia Tested Its Anti-Satellite Weapon

If regulation of space weapons is coming, Putin wants to be ahead of the pack.

foreignpolicy.com

as for the anti ICBM part, much of the same tech used in anti sat, can also be used in anti ICBM

 

[beardface]

If you were thinking of starting a hugely unpopular war with another country that would lead to death and destruction on both sides, would you tell your own side months in advance. Or would you rationaly engineer a situation (troop exercises and false reasons for attacking) to go in at the last moment when there's little option for opposition?

 

[Danllan]

on the anti sat part

Russia’s anti-satellite test should lead to a multilateral ban

On 15 November, Russia conducted a direct-ascent anti-satellite (DA-ASAT) test, destroying one of its own space objects, a defunct satellite, in low-earth orbit.

www.sipri.org

Russian anti-satellite missile test draws condemnation

The US says Russia "recklessly" destroyed a satellite, endangering astronauts in space.

www.bbc.co.uk

Why Russia Tested Its Anti-Satellite Weapon

If regulation of space weapons is coming, Putin wants to be ahead of the pack.

foreignpolicy.com

as for the anti ICBM part, much of the same tech used in anti sat, can also be used in anti ICBM

Well, it worked once; however, I was referring to the general impression that Russia has given, but we are seeing - very clearly - that things such as their missile response, from the ground and aircraft, is not at all good, certainly not as has been presented. And definitely nowhere near as good as that which we have. Ditto the armour on their 'new generation' APCs etc., it's being taken to pieces by the very weapons that it was designed to counter. And there are many more examples, all setting aside its forces' operational disorganisation and logistics failures.

If you were thinking of starting a hugely unpopular war with another country that would lead to death and destruction on both sides, would you tell your own side months in advance. Or would you rationaly engineer a situation (troop exercises and false reasons for attacking) to go in at the last moment when there's little option for opposition?

See my earlier post.

 

[Bury the Trash]

The sanctions won't work in time for Ukraine. It will be reduced to rubble.

Use Russian money to rebuild Ukraine, says bank boss

In a BBC interview, the Ukraine central bank boss proposes a list of extra financial sanctions on Russia.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Werzle]

It seems what we are scared of now is chemical weapons, russia seems to have persuaded china into agreeing that the US has chemical labs in ukraine and the CIA believe russia will use this as an excuse to drop sarin gas on cities they have failed to take. I think i will stop watching the news when this happens, just gut wrenching and sickening to think about the possibility of it. I feel ashamed that putin and assad got away with using it in syria and more wasnt said and done to bring them to account for it. Yesterday they thought china might be cooling its support for russia, today looks very different. Scary in a world running short of food and fuel that these two super powers who dont seem to have any morals about killing and starving people exist on our planet and cannot be stopped.

 

[Hindsight]

It seems what we are scared of now is chemical weapons, russia seems to have persuaded china into agreeing that the US has chemical labs in ukraine and the CIA believe russia will use this as an excuse to drop sarin gas on cities they have failed to take. I think i will stop watching the news when this happens, just gut wrenching and sickening to think about the possibility of it. I feel ashamed that putin and assad got away with using it in syria and more wasnt said and done to bring them to account for it. Yesterday they thought china might be cooling its support for russia, today looks very different. Scary in a world running short of food and fuel that these two super powers who dont seem to have any morals about killing and starving people exist on our planet and cannot be stopped.

China will not stop supporting Russia. It cannot. It too is a totalitarian no democratic state. Client states in the the world will also fall into groups supporting the Sino/Rus or the USA. Can see the initial splitting in the UN vote a few days ago. Slightly troubling how many abstained. Hey ho. WW3 continues.

 

[quattro]

If he doesn’t get control of Ukraine what’s to stop him sending a bomb anyway
he’s nothing to lose
he’s finished anyway

 

[Werzle]

If he doesn’t get control of Ukraine what’s to stop him sending a bomb anyway
he’s nothing to lose
he’s finished anyway

The experts call it an exit ramp, he needs one to climb down and not look defeated but his actions and words have backed himself into corner with no exit. Russians need to remove him to save the country from years of poverty and exile from the western world

 

[czechmate]

I’m scared of 40 days and 40 nights of rain, and it looks like that has already started in Australia . And to think just two years ago it seemed the whole country was on fire.
Looks bleak which ever way you look

 

[manhill]

The scene reminds me of a school where the boy from the rough side of town terrorises the other kids with his knuckleduster. The rich kids have fancy pepper sprays and sirens but won't help the little guy that's always picked on by the bully. 'we're only allowed to use our sprays if he picks on us' they whinge.

 

[czechmate]

The scene reminds me of a school where the boy from the rough side of town terrorises the other kids with his knuckleduster. The rich kids have fancy pepper sprays and sirens but won't help the little guy that's always picked on by the bully. 'we're only allowed to use our sprays if he picks on us' they whinge.

At the moment “we” are trying to end the war, not escalate it. Awful as it is, I suppose it has to be the best course of action, for the moment.

 

[manhill]

At the moment “we” are trying to end the war, not escalate it. Awful as it is, I suppose it has to be the best course of action, for the moment.

I suppose they could try explaining to the bully the error of his ways and offer him a course on mindfulness!

 

[Danllan]

It seems what we are scared of now is chemical weapons, russia seems to have persuaded china into agreeing that the US has chemical labs in ukraine and the CIA believe russia will use this as an excuse to drop sarin gas on cities they have failed to take. I think i will stop watching the news when this happens, just gut wrenching and sickening to think about the possibility of it. I feel ashamed that putin and assad got away with using it in syria and more wasnt said and done to bring them to account for it. Yesterday they thought china might be cooling its support for russia, today looks very different. Scary in a world running short of food and fuel that these two super powers who dont seem to have any morals about killing and starving people exist on our planet and cannot be stopped.

China -really its CCP dictators - needs as many other dictatorships as possible, less chance of it being overthrown then.

But neither Russia nor China are 'superpowers', China is working towards it but is further away than most realise, Russia's days are long gone - it's only claim to relevance is its nuclear 'threat' - assuming that it is genuine. These two dictatorships certainly have no qualms about who or how many they kill, or in what manner. But they aren't 'superpowers', neither can properly project power.

 

[JimAndy]

what would your definition of a "superpowers" be then

 

[czechmate]

I suppose they could try explaining to the bully the error of his ways and offer him a course on mindfulness!

hopefully that would be a total waste of time as he will be dead

 

[JohnGalway]

hopefully that would be a total waste of time as he will be dead

In Game of Thrones they reckoned "There's no cure for being a pansy"
There is, a permanent one!
...And I didn't write pansy....

 

[fudge]

China will not stop supporting Russia. It cannot. It too is a totalitarian no democratic state. Client states in the the world will also fall into groups supporting the Sino/Rus or the USA. Can see the initial splitting in the UN vote a few days ago. Slightly troubling how many abstained. Hey ho. WW3 continues.

We really have to make our minds up. Disengagement from China should also be an economic aim of the UK. Self reliance is something that the UK should take far more seriously IMO.

 

[Danllan]

what would your definition of a "superpowers" be then

Of course everything like this is a bit nebulous but, at a minimum... I'd say being able to project power globally economically, online, and militarily by air and on land and at sea; having a credible nuclear deterrent too, and the ability to carry out at least two major campaigns in entirely different theatres, all while being able to defend, fuel and feed itself. I guess there are are other things that don't spring to mind immediately, but I'd say any state which cannot boast all of the above, simultaneously, isn't a superpower.

 

[Vader]

Seems the Russians are the only ones tbat can treaten to escalate,why can't we?
They have no right to be in the air above Ukraine, we do if invited by the Ukrainian government.
Tell the barstewards that next time they hit a childrens hospital the response will be 'severe'
Putin's been let get away with too much already. Not advocating a war to invade Russia just to drive them out of Ukraine.
Don't put up with the murderous scum any longer.
(So what if those Migs are flown from Germany?)

Here you go.
If you feel so strongly about it, off you trot to join the fighting. Do your bit.

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[manhill]

Here you go.
If you feel so strongly about it, off you trot to join the fighting. Do your bit.

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Ok, I'm in. Just fitting a gun mount to my zimmer frame.
In past life I've experienced Russian bullying and glad the Yanks stood up to them. Hope they carry on that tradition.