What did you expect when you voted Leave?

[Danllan]

I expected to leave on the basis of what was stated in the Government's pamphlet, no more no less.

 

[Walterp]

"Those who support leaving are being selfless, prepared for short term pain for long term stability,..."

This, in a nutshell, is why 'leave' cannot happen - it is not the prospectus that was advanced in 2016, when there was no mention of any pain.

It is precisely this unreality that made Brexit a myth from the outset.

And why, nearly 3 years later, 'leave' supporters are asking liberals for solutions to the problems they themselves created.

I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea 'bout me and FT - we are mirror images in many ways: I live in a relatively Anglicised part of Wales and belong further North, whilst he lives in the heartland yet hankers after living in England. He inherited farms, while I have had to buy mine (one, famously, twice over). He rents out farms for others to try to make work, while i make my own operation function through my own efforts.

I recognise that the CAP has nothing to do with how we have ended up here, whilst he looks elsewhere for why he is where he is.

The greatest irony of Brexit is that those who profess a belief in self-reliance are, in fact, those most prone to blaming others for their problems.

 

[Ley253]

When I voted remain I hoped for stability. Over recent decades I have done very nicely thank you. When leave won I expected a total shambles followed by hasty and disadvantageous trade deals with the USA et al as leave politicians struggled to replace the jobs they had needlessly destroyed.

Ah stability! A time of no decisions,or growth! Also a time of depreciation, as by standing still, you allow others to overtake.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

"Those who support leaving are being selfless, prepared for short term pain for long term stability,..."

This, in a nutshell, is why 'leave' cannot happen - it is not the prospectus that was advanced in 2016, when there was no mention of any pain.

It is precisely this unreality that made Brexit a myth from the outset.

And why, nearly 3 years later, 'leave' supporters are asking liberals for solutions to the problems they themselves created.

I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea 'bout me and FT - we are mirror images in many ways: I live in a relatively Anglicised part of Wales and belong further North, whilst he lives in the heartland yet hankers after living in England. He inherited farms, while I have had to buy mine (one, famously, twice over). He rents out farms for others to try to make work, while i make my own operation function through my own efforts.

I recognise that the CAP has nothing to do with how we have ended up here, whilst he looks elsewhere for why he is where he is.

The greatest irony of Brexit is that those who profess a belief in self-reliance are, in fact, those most prone to blaming others for their problems.

Just to correct you on a few things . I left School at 14, before I left I was working mornings nights and weekends on the farm I started tractor driving at 8 years old, we were farming 80 acres at that time intensive dairy . Dad took me in as a business partner at 18 years old and we started to take on more farms expanding to over 600 acres owned and some rented.
At 50 years old I had a serious heart attack so sold the cattle and scaled back . I spent more time on the forage side of the business to cut back on manual work, selling crops off the farming and taking dairy stock in to graze some of the land
We have now expanded the forage business and are farming most of the land ourselves again
You may see that as inheriting a farm I have not worked for . I see it slightly different
We do rent a property in Sussex so we can have breaks away from the farm my wife gets time to spend with her family and I can use as a base for my forage trading
I dont hanker to live in England I love it here . But I do love to travel. I find London fascinating. What's the harm in that

 

[fudge]

Ah stability! A time of no decisions,or growth! Also a time of depreciation, as by standing still, you allow others to overtake.[/QUOTE
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What’s so great about instability?

 

[Ley253]

It , forces change, brings new ideas to the surface, some good, some not, but generates momentum, keeps minds fresh and active. Creates opportunities.

 

[fudge]

It , forces change, brings new ideas to the surface, some good, some not, but generates momentum, keeps minds fresh and active. Creates opportunities.

Oh I see. Brexit will lead to an economic revolution.

 

[Walterp]

Just to correct you on a few things . I left School at 14, before I left I was working mornings nights and weekends on the farm I started tractor driving at 8 years old, we were farming 80 acres at that time intensive dairy . Dad took me in as a business partner at 18 years old and we started to take on more farms expanding to over 600 acres owned and some rented.
At 50 years old I had a serious heart attack so sold the cattle and scaled back . I spent more time on the forage side of the business to cut back on manual work, selling crops off the farming and taking dairy stock in to graze some of the land
We have now expanded the forage business and are farming most of the land ourselves again
You may see that as inheriting a farm I have not worked for . I see it slightly different
We do rent a property in Sussex so we can have breaks away from the farm my wife gets time to spend with her family and I can use as a base for my forage trading
I dont hanker to live in England I love it here . But I do love to travel. I find London fascinating. What's the harm in that

Thank you for the response, Derek.

I was teasing you a bit, I confess.

But the truth, perhaps, is that we are both pale reflections of our fathers - you are half the man your old man was, whilst I am twice the man my old man ever could be. Which, perhaps, makes us about equal.

None of it is anything whatever to do with the CAP or the EU, which has only ever benefited both of us.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Thank you for the response, Derek.

I was teasing you a bit, I confess.

But the truth, perhaps, is that we are both pale reflections of our fathers - you are half the man your old man was, whilst I am twice the man my old man ever could be. Which, perhaps, makes us about equal.

None of it is anything whatever to do with the CAP or the EU, which has only ever benefited both of us.

Dad was a product of his past that put work before anything. In his view if you were not successful you were no one
Life in the potteries was hard .he was bought up hard

 

[Ley253]

It

Oh I see. Brexit will lead to an economic revolution.

may, or may not. BUT it is opening the door of opportunity, allowing us to arrange our own trade deals, at what ever prices we can agree on, with whoever we wish, some of whoom may even have some money, unlike the recession heading eurozone, r.Who knows, we may be able to fish in our own waters soon

 

[fudge]

It

may, or may not. BUT it is opening the door of opportunity, allowing us to arrange our own trade deals, at what ever prices we can agree on, with whoever we wish, some of whoom may even have some money, unlike the recession heading eurozone, r.Who knows, we may be able to fish in our own waters soon

Whether we are in or out of the Eu we cannot insulate ourselves from a eurozone recession completely. Likewise if there is a trade war between the USA and China everyone catches the cold. It’s the nature of the interconnected world we live in.

 

[Two Tone]

As the Op has asked, those who voted Remain and are posting on this thread are respectfully asked not to turn it into another Brexit slanging match.

As far as I am concerned, if your posts are in any way rude or insulting, they are immediately bypassed.
I suggest that all other Leave voters ignore any such posts too.

 

[Suffolk Serf]

I'll (just like a politician) answer the question that I wish i'd been asked: Why did I vote for Brexit?

A few years ago now,I followed my heart and not my head, I took a big risk. I left behind the prospect of a low risk life, one of life on a career ladder, with secure money and secure prospects. I could have been set up for life, and been financially secure but not particularly wealthy and probably not fulfilled and probably bored.
I took a gamble, a crazy gamble to some, bound to fail. I put my meagre life savings plus some borrowed money into one of the highest risk sectors of farming, pigs. Utterly crazy to those who would have followed a safe path. I would like to point out that there was no family farm, a bit of family history in farming but nothing else.
Of course the path was rocky, expanded quickly, hit problems many times, some seemed insurmountable, but I am stubborn and I dug in and came through.
Thirty years later, I have a successful farming business, surprisingly profitable, with much less risk than there was when I started out.
Undoubtedly I'm wealthier than I would have been in a "proper" job but that is only a small part of the benefits. I've followed my dream, achieved far more that I thought possible, I'm my own man, several have done far better than me in the same sector, very well done to them. My view when I started out was that if I failed at least i'd tried.

I'm more than happy that I took a risk. Brexit is a risk, you never know, there might be massive benefits. It's one heck of an opportunity, let's give it a try.

 

[brigadoon]

I know this is an almost impossible request, but I am making two threads to which I would like straightforward answers. One is for those who voted Leave in the 2016 Referendum and the other is for those who voted Remain. The assumption is you expected your vote to be on the winning side.

Please only answer the question asked, and in the appropriate thread. If you did not vote in the referendum, please do not clog up the forum with a supposed “answer” to a question you cannot answer. Start another thread if you want to add some other comment. It is free of charge to do so.

I voted Leave and expected Article 50 to be invoked soon after the result and the UK to leave the EU without any “deal” between the two. No payment to be made to the EU other than ongoing commitments. WTO rules would come into force unless an agreement was reached prior to the leave date.

I will not be joining in any arguments put forward about my expectations being unrealistic, etc. All I want to know is what TFF members expected when they voted.

I voted leave with similar expectations to yourself.

 

[Ley253]

Whether we are in or out of the Eu we cannot insulate ourselves from a eurozone recession completely. Likewise if there is a trade war between the USA and China everyone catches the cold. It’s the nature of the interconnected world we live in.

As you say, we cannot insulate ourselves completely, but we will be able to take steps to minimise the effects, something those remaining will not be allowed to do, having to cut their cloth to suit the Franco/German coat, not their own.

 

[brigadoon]

"Those who support leaving are being selfless, prepared for short term pain for long term stability,..."

This, in a nutshell, is why 'leave' cannot happen - it is not the prospectus that was advanced in 2016, when there was no mention of any pain.

Which referendum is it you are referring to?

Anyone who voted leave in the EU in/out referendum did so in the teeth of dire predictions from the great and the good - including President Obama no less, as to how bad it was going to be :-

"an average loss of £4300 to every household in the land" -ring any bells?

 

[Ley253]

Obama! He was so good that people thought trump better! And just what does he really know about Britain! The good? Cameron, who went to Brussels asking for nothing, and came back with less! ( still better than May though, that stubborn harriden is willing to pay for nothing!) Osborne, so good he is now a newspaper editor.

 

[digger64]

Thank you for the resppomp us Derek.

I was teasing you a bit, I confess.

But the truth, perhaps, is that we are both pale reflections of our fathers - you are half the man your old man was, whilst I am twice the man my old man ever could be. Which, perhaps, makes us about equal.

None of it is anything whatever to do with the CAP or the EU, which has only ever benefited both of us.

Not knowing either of you or any facts , but that must be about the most pompus and arrogant statement I have ever read , even if one thought it would anyone really write it ?

 

[ajd132]

It , forces change, brings new ideas to the surface, some good, some not, but generates momentum, keeps minds fresh and active. Creates opportunities.

do you use old tractors and power harrows ?

 

[digger64]

I would like to add another question, your economy under the UE was doing quite well, apparently the 2nd GDP after germany. If your economy was doing well why did you vote to leave? Regards.

The strength of the economy/wealth is not necessarily a measure regarding people's quality of life etc