What front weight ??

[Sid]

Using independent brakes does not destroy brakes. High speed prolonged braking is what does that. Did you ever see old 30k tractors that used independents regularly wear brakes out? No.

You should go down a hill the same speed as you would go up the hill.

Brakes on then off, on then off as need to have chance to cool.
See it all the time down the hill brakes lights constantly lit. Then there is the black skid marks every where from trailer tyres.

 

[Cowabunga]

Its not just the ridiculous fashion of fitting excessive weight up front but the distance forward of the front axle. I’m sure some of these units are running in work with 60% forward and 40% back weight distruibution, partly due to the leverage effect and weight transfer. That is just plain wrong.

 

[Optimus]

Chap that helps us bought a link box. Its handy. Can get 4 bags in spreader with this tractor.

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That's what I use, if I need a bit more weight I just chuck some stones in.

 

[mtx.jag]

Using independent brakes does not destroy brakes. High speed prolonged braking is what does that. Did you ever see old 30k tractors that used independents regularly wear brakes out? No.

You crack on with your theory,I will stick to mine.

 

[Cowabunga]

You crack on with your theory,I will stick to mine.

Its not a 'theory'. Fact.

 

[mtx.jag]

Its not a 'theory'. Fact.

We do around 7000 hours on a set of tyres,most of that with a front reeler or weight block hanging on the front,no need to use indipendant brakes in this day and age

 

[Cowabunga]

We do around 7000 hours on a set of tyres,most of that with a front reeler or weight block hanging on the front,no need to use indipendant brakes in this day and age

Not on the job you do apparently. Independent brakes are there to be used. Some people know how and when to use them and some don't. Such is life. They are not something you'd use for every job or every situation. They are a tool that is especially useful on many jobs and situations.

 

[Chae1]

I stand to be corrected.

But most modern tractors 4wd engages when you put the brakes on so locking 2 wheels on 1 side. Hence causing damage

I very occasionally use side brakes when ploughing if struggling to get in at ends if its really wet and front of tractor lifting. But avoid using them.

With most modern varios touching the brakes disengages transmission so you just stop?

Fantastic on a 2wd tractor.

 

[76masseyman]

Been waiting on 1 since last September

Really ! What’s the reason for such a long holdup ?

 

[Cowabunga]

I stand to be corrected.

But most modern tractors 4wd engages when you put the brakes on so locking 2 wheels on 1 side. Hence causing damage

I very occasionally use side brakes when ploughing if struggling to get in at ends if its really wet and front of tractor lifting. But avoid using them.

With most modern varios touching the brakes disengages transmission so you just stop?

Fantastic on a 2wd tractor.

No tractor that I know of engages the front axle when using independents. Some inferior designs used to do so on one of the pedals but most need the two brake light switches released together to engage front axle.
Anyhow with 4wd tractors you would be using it in 4wd on many jobs while using independents but you would not necessarily or often actually lock the rear wheel, just partially brake it.

I have a modern Vario and it most certainly does not disengage drive when brakes are applied. Even ones that are capable of doing so, along with any transmission that is capable, needs to be specifically set to do so. It is not set by default and as far as the ones I have tried, does not do so when only one side is braked. The aim of this is to avoid pressing the clutch pedal on stop-start jobs like round baling.

 

[Bobthebuilder]

Really ! What’s the reason for such a long holdup ?

Brexit and Covid seemingly Uk firm, member on here as well

 

[fieldfarmer]

No tractor that I know of engages the front axle when using independents. Some inferior designs used to do so on one of the pedals but most need the two brake light switches released together to engage front axle.
Anyhow with 4wd tractors you would be using it in 4wd on many jobs while using independents but you would not necessarily or often actually lock the rear wheel, just partially brake it.

I have a modern Vario and it most certainly does not disengage drive when brakes are applied. Even ones that are capable of doing so, along with any transmission that is capable, needs to be specifically set to do so. It is not set by default and as far as the ones I have tried, does not do so when only one side is braked. The aim of this is to avoid pressing the clutch pedal on stop-start jobs like round baling.

Of the varois I have owned and others I have just driven the default setting is to disengage drive when both brakes are applied.

 

[mo!]

No tractor that I know of engages the front axle when using independents. Some inferior designs used to do so on one of the pedals but most need the two brake light switches released together to engage front axle.
Anyhow with 4wd tractors you would be using it in 4wd on many jobs while using independents but you would not necessarily or often actually lock the rear wheel, just partially brake it.

I have a modern Vario and it most certainly does not disengage drive when brakes are applied. Even ones that are capable of doing so, along with any transmission that is capable, needs to be specifically set to do so. It is not set by default and as far as the ones I have tried, does not do so when only one side is braked. The aim of this is to avoid pressing the clutch pedal on stop-start jobs like round baling.

NH AutoCommand has no such setting. I'm not sure of the criteria but sometimes it disengages, sometimes it doesn't.

 

[Cowabunga]

NH AutoCommand has no such setting. I'm not sure of the criteria but sometimes it disengages, sometimes it doesn't.

That’s not right. It should at least be consistent.

 

[Cowabunga]

Of the varois I have owned and others I have just driven the default setting is to disengage drive when both brakes are applied.

On my owned long term Vario it certainly does not. It would mean disengaging drive when braking down hill, which is potentially highly dangerous and unaccaptable.

I wonder whether some of these tractors have too many complications for most drivers who probably don’t have any in-depth instruction on the control systems?

 

[fieldfarmer]

On my owned long term Vario it certainly does not. It would mean disengaging drive when braking down hill, which is potentially highly dangerous and unaccaptable.

I wonder whether some of these tractors have too many complications for most drivers who probably don’t have any in-depth instruction on the control systems?

Well all the ones I've owned and I still own 2 varios do, I wonder if some drivers are so wrapped up in themselves they won't except there are others with there own in depth knowledge of how there own machines work.

 

[fieldfarmer]

On my owned long term Vario it certainly does not. It would mean disengaging drive when braking down hill, which is potentially highly dangerous and unaccaptable.

I wonder whether some of these tractors have too many complications for most drivers who probably don’t have any in-depth instruction on the control systems?

In an early newholland for instance, are you aware you have to actually hold the forward arrow to keep drive connected on a slippery down hill run if you want engine braking and trailer braking. Oh and I think you last paragraph say quite a bit about yourself.

 

[mo!]

In an early newholland for instance, are you aware you have to actually hold the forward arrow to keep drive connected on a slippery down hill run if you want engine braking and trailer braking. Oh and I think you last paragraph say quite a bit about yourself.

That's only on the later model LWB T7's I think. No mention of it in the SWB manual, though there are features such as holding the gearbox in low that were added in updates.

 

[fieldfarmer]

That's only on the later model LWB T7's I think. No mention of it in the SWB manual, though there are features such as holding the gearbox in low that were added in updates.

The one I owned was a 59 plate 7040. It was a feature on that.

 

[snarling bee]

Chap that helps us bought a link box. Its handy. Can get 4 bags in spreader with this tractor.

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Why not just leave then front loader on.
How big are the bags? 50kg or 1 tonne?