What happens to land use after agreement ends

[Behind The Times]

What will happen to the improved grassland land type after say a 3 year low input grassland option. Will it revert to improved grassland for the purpose of applying for future grants? Also similar with the
winter bird food on improved grassland. Would this then become an unimprovable area after agreement end?

 

[Andy26]

What will happen to the improved grassland land type after say a 3 year low input grassland option. Will it revert to improved grassland for the purpose of applying for future grants? Also similar with the
winter bird food on improved grassland. Would this then become an unimprovable area after agreement end?

For the improved grassland with AHL1 it will still be improved grassland as you are free to apply herbicides/fertiliser.

 

[Behind The Times]

For the improved grassland with AHL1 it will still be improved grassland as you are free to apply herbicides/fertiliser.

Yes makes sense now, if the option allows for the requirements for improved grassland then i should still be able to claim it is improved.

 

[Nearly]

@ajcc

 

[Jackov Altraids]

It's a very good and pertinent question.
I'm not sure anyone really knows the answer.
It depends what happens in the next couple years and what takes priority.
Will they prioritise net-zero, the economy, nature recovery, food production etc.

My feeling is that there will not be a straight forward answer.
If they treated everyone the same there could be organised opposition.
Different organisations with different priorities will be aware of what land is in what schemes and at what locations and use that information to control land use if they see any benefit in doing so.
I wouldn't expect everyone to be affected but if you border a reserve, river, forest, coast, moor etc, they could easily restrict your use by designating it as now having some importance.
I don't know how else they will ever meet their 30 x 30 targets.

[Withdrawn] Delivering 30by30 on land in England

www.gov.uk

After all, you are signing to say you have met their aims, to claim the money.
If those aims are worth meeting, they could argue, they are worth saving.

 

[Bury the Trash]

cut and remove or flail. shallow rotavate , then plough about 10 inches deep.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

cut and remove or flail. shallow rotavate , then plough about 10 inches deep.

Remember how at Easter, a wildlife trust put posts up on facebook asking the public to call 999 and report any farmer cutting hedges?
In a couple years time, they will be asking the public to report any butterflies, birds, bats etc. on scheme land to NE so they can be protected.
I wonder if Clive will be one of the first to get a 'stop notice' to land on his door mat? . . . . . . .

 

[Behind The Times]

It's a very good and pertinent question.
I'm not sure anyone really knows the answer.
It depends what happens in the next couple years and what takes priority.
Will they prioritise net-zero, the economy, nature recovery, food production etc.

My feeling is that there will not be a straight forward answer.
If they treated everyone the same there could be organised opposition.
Different organisations with different priorities will be aware of what land is in what schemes and at what locations and use that information to control land use if they see any benefit in doing so.
I wouldn't expect everyone to be affected but if you border a reserve, river, forest, coast, moor etc, they could easily restrict your use by designating it as now having some importance.
I don't know how else they will ever meet their 30 x 30 targets.

[Withdrawn] Delivering 30by30 on land in England

www.gov.uk

After all, you are signing to say you have met their aims, to claim the money.
If those aims are worth meeting, they could argue, they are worth saving.

That’s my worry. We’ve worked hard for the land we own and farm and for the sake of earning a few quid over the next three years I’m not sure it’s worth risking loosing our ability to farm it how we wish.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

That’s my worry. We’ve worked hard for the land we own and farm and for the sake of earning a few quid over the next three years I’m not sure it’s worth risking loosing our ability to farm it how we wish.

I don't think the risks are that high.
I'm surrounded by intensive dairy units so I can't imagine it happening here but I think it would be wise for everyone to google [other search engines are probably preferable] their Local Nature Recovery Strategies (LNRS) to assess how the authorities might be viewing their area.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/649db1de45b6a2000c3d45bf/Map_of_local_nature_recovery_strategy_areas_and_responsible_authorities.pdf

 

[Bury the Trash]

Remember how at Easter, a wildlife trust put posts up on facebook asking the public to call 999 and report any farmer cutting hedges?

yes but have there been any reports i wonder, plenty of hedges trimmed around about, roads yes but tops as well amd long stretches not just strategic. im not sure hoiw many people actually take the so called wild trust seriously either.

In a couple years time, they will be asking the public to report any butterflies, birds, bats etc. on scheme land to NE so they can be protected.

probably best to weigh it up/ treat it as just another business risk,


also there's plenty of other things currently to worry about in the hear and now,
and as far as .worldly men look ahead,,.' well i guess there comes a time for some when they think could well be dead and gone in 3 yrs time... and as far as leaving probs for theres ie family members ,well the here and now comes back into doesn't it.

decisions . , decisions.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

probably best to weigh it up/ treat it as just another business risk,

That's all I'm saying.
Be aware and consider the risk/ reward balance.

Have you searched 'your district council's' LNRS?

 

[Bury the Trash]

That's all I'm saying.
Be aware and consider the risk/ reward balance.

Have you searched 'your district council's' LNRS?

no, perhaps i should ,.... but after the current haymaking episode is over thats quite enough to worry about for a day or 2 ...

 

[Jackov Altraids]

no, perhaps i should ,.... but after the current haymaking episode is over thats quite enough to worry about for a day or 2 ...

Heres the intro to mine;

By 2030, nature on farmland in northern Devon is recovering. Wildflowers abound in broad field margins and across many entire fields. Insects like moths, bumblebees and hoverflies are recovering; clouds of butterflies on hot summer days are once more commonplace and fields resonate with grasshoppers. The song of yellowhammers, skylarks and cuckoos once more fills the countryside, and barn owls, kestrels and red kites are a common sight. Brown hares and harvest mice thrive. To achieve this, 24,400ha of intensively managed grassland and arable land present in 2020 have been converted, or are under conversion, to wildlife-rich semi-natural habitat that include broad tussocky or flower-rich margins, herb-rich grassland, wetlands, scrub and native broadleaved woodland. Over at least 2,000 ha of this, natural processes prevail ((re)wilding).

 

[Andy26]

Heres the intro to mine;

By 2030, nature on farmland in northern Devon is recovering. Wildflowers abound in broad field margins and across many entire fields. Insects like moths, bumblebees and hoverflies are recovering; clouds of butterflies on hot summer days are once more commonplace and fields resonate with grasshoppers. The song of yellowhammers, skylarks and cuckoos once more fills the countryside, and barn owls, kestrels and red kites are a common sight. Brown hares and harvest mice thrive. To achieve this, 24,400ha of intensively managed grassland and arable land present in 2020 have been converted, or are under conversion, to wildlife-rich semi-natural habitat that include broad tussocky or flower-rich margins, herb-rich grassland, wetlands, scrub and native broadleaved woodland. Over at least 2,000 ha of this, natural processes prevail ((re)wilding).

Meanwhile:

48,800 ha of South American Rainforest has been cleared for intensive arable cropping and mega dairies a key customer identified as the county of Devon, United Kingdom.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Meanwhile:

48,800 ha of South American Rainforest has been cleared for intensive arable cropping and mega dairies a key customer identified as the county of Devon, United Kingdom.

What I want everyone to understand is

The government set legally binding targets to stop production on agricultural land without knowing or caring about the consequences. They weren't going to be around in 2030 to take responsibility.
Responsibility for these targets has now been passed to local authorities,
The plans are being drawn up, like a toddlers Christmas wishlist, by environmental groups. This is who is responsible for here;

These plans are then being adopted, without any proper scrutiny by the Councils

Read these plans.
They sound lovely.
But the idea it is going to happen voluntarily, when the only people not consulted is those that own the land, seems fanciful.
And ELMS / SFI is touted as the road to achieve their legally binding aims.
I'm not saying what will happen but you need to have your eyes open to what could happen.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Heres the intro to mine;

By 2030, nature on farmland in northern Devon is recovering. Wildflowers abound in broad field margins and across many entire fields. Insects like moths, bumblebees and hoverflies are recovering; clouds of butterflies on hot summer days are once more commonplace and fields resonate with grasshoppers. The song of yellowhammers, skylarks and cuckoos once more fills the countryside, and barn owls, kestrels and red kites are a common sight. Brown hares and harvest mice thrive. To achieve this, 24,400ha of intensively managed grassland and arable land present in 2020 have been converted, or are under conversion, to wildlife-rich semi-natural habitat that include broad tussocky or flower-rich margins, herb-rich grassland, wetlands, scrub and native broadleaved woodland. Over at least 2,000 ha of this, natural processes prevail ((re)wilding).

that's a a fairy tail. put about by hypocrites and self kidders

this is the reality and its happening now...

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/map-reveals-thousands-homes-built-9450015
and on good arable land as much as poorer. poluting the waterways and changing the landscape.



theres a lack of butterflies' here now thios year ive noticed, and flies and bees, and its not to do with habitat, but by climate. and peole everywhere mowing lawns every3 and half days and trimming garden hedges and borders in June

 

[Jackov Altraids]

that's a a fairy tail. put about by hypocrites and self kidders

this is the reality and its happening now...

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/map-reveals-thousands-homes-built-9450015
and on good arable land as much as poorer. poluting the waterways and changing the landscape.



theres a lack of butterflies' here now thios year ive noticed, and flies and bees, and its not to do with habitat, but by climate. and peole everywhere mowing lawns every3 and half days and trimming garden hedges and borders in June

The fairy tale is being adopted as a plan by local authorities.
The reality of house building is just putting more pressure on them to make the plan reality to not only meet the 2030 targets but the BNG requirements of the extra housing.
In a few years time, everybody but the landowners will be pressing for wildflower meadows to be protected and preserved.
Who will defend a farmer wanting to plough it up, just because the 3 years are up for being paid to create it?

 

[Regenerator1]

What will happen to the improved grassland land type after say a 3 year low input grassland option. Will it revert to improved grassland for the purpose of applying for future grants? Also similar with the
winter bird food on improved grassland. Would this then become an unimprovable area after agreement end?

Yes it will... If you enter schemes with Gov.UK that de value the commercial output of the Land then they (Natural England) and the majik maps will make it 10 times harder to revert to more intensive production... Only caveat to that will be global war and mass starvation