What happens when mills refuse to let drivers sweep out

[7610 super q]

I don't know. Only in this country could tipping and cleaning a wagon turn into a red tape saga.

 

[steveR]

I appreciate the driver's predicament.

I suppose if I arrived on farm to load, I would ask if there was somewhere I could sweep out. The farm would then gain the 100kg from the previous load

Alternatively I would keep some decent bin bags in the cab and keep it for myself

Done that a few times over the years... Driver asked can he tip residues somewhere, got a few kg of nuts, or grain for the chooks

 

[pettsy]

Mate of mine went on the shipping container job when his tipper work was slack. Told me one job was to handball empty a container of ready meals. The sort of guy he is he wanted to give them a hand, reduce his waiting time. No driver, sit in your cab and wait!

 

[Roy_H]

The haulier should have had a written policy preventing employees from fly tipping in lay bys?

I remember seeing 300kg of olive cake sat at the roadside for well over a year on an A road near here

Pardon my ignorance but the act of sweeping your lorry out in a lay-by (Irrespective the contents) wouldn't that be illegal anyway?

 

[quattro]

It’s very easy criticising the drivers but realistically what should they do if they refuse to leave current site they tipped at they would get banned
They can’t take it back to where they loaded for various reasons
I’ve known farmers not let you sweep out at their farms
So what do they do??

 

[Netherfield]

One answer would be have an auger fitted across the back as blower wagons do.

 

[Barleymow]

livestock lorries have to wash out before they leave abattoirs wash is provided be lot cheaper to provide a sweeping area

 

[roscoe erf]

I'm going to say what others are thinking, any driver that tips without looking for power lines shouldn't be on the road.
They are a danger to everyone, though I am sorry for his injury.

you f**king mind reader you

 

[quattro]

You can put triangular shaped pieces in corners which helps but u still have sweep out depending where your going next
Augers would be no use for half the products you carry

 

[roscoe erf]

As I said it was totally the drivers fault he should have looked up but didn't but if the company had a procedure that insisted trailers were cleaned at the receiver, which would most certainly be "Basic common sense" it would remove/reduce the risk and the accident wouldn't have happened.
You don't need '2000 risk assessments' just decent procedures to cover yourself.

but what's the point as the receiver will not let you

 

[roscoe erf]

Sounds to me that it be better if the mills had sweep out areas or they be out of grain. Because it’s becoming increasingly obvious that they are the cause of the problem.

Currently they appear to be playing the Elf and safety card rather than investing in proper facilities!

not just mills that card is brought out at many sites just to pass the buck along

 

[roscoe erf]

The TASCC code sets out operating procedures in relation to food and feed safety and is not worded with H&S in mind.

However, drivers will all have a current CPC certificate and should have had some sort of in-house training or induction with their employers.

We often see HGV drivers who have been driving for 10 years plus, but have only just started doing tippers.

I hope to god you are not relying on that qualification its a farce my 5 year old could get it

 

[michael N123]

Why does he get ‘millions’ in compensation for not looking where he was tipping

While fly tipping

 

[Brisel]

Why does he get ‘millions’ in compensation for not looking where he was tipping

While fly tipping

Because his employer hadn't assessed that risk then put it in the manual and training procedure. No other reason.

 

[michael N123]

Because his employer hadn't assessed that risk then put it in the manual and training procedure. No other reason.

It’s daft how employers can get fined for people having no common sense

 

[Brisel]

It’s daft how employers can get fined for people having no common sense

No common sense is why we have Health & Safety laws. Even if the employee is an idiot, the employer still has a duty of care towards them.

 

[ollie989898]

This is an absolute joke.

How in the hell can you write a risk assessment for an activity you never anticipate someone carrying out? I did not know it was policy to sweep lorries out in lay bys, or tip them up that far to get product out??

And the mills which will not allow drivers to sweep out their wagons should have to cope with them never cleaning their wagons out and the inevitable cross contamination that results, some mill or site manager somewhere is ultimately responsible for this accident. Expecting people to sweep trailers out anywhere else but the tipping point is a disgrace.

Obviously the company in question will have insurance for this kind of incident but how on earth can you deem them as being negligent or at fault?

 

[Renaultman]

How many enterprising people will look at this judgment (and MANY others like it) and say “what’s the point of running an honest business and employing staff when judges remove all personal accountability from employees when they do something that defies basic common sense?”
Giving each employee a file with 2000 risk assessments doesn’t do jack sh!t for employee safety, it just protects the employer from a judge who has spent 30 years practicing the ‘art’ of litigation.

Do any of the people reading this thread have a formal risk assessment to specifically cover their arse for an employee that doesn’t have the wherewithal to look up when they tip a trailer, ffs?[/QUOTE}
This is one of the main reasons why I no longer run trucks.
I find it hard to believe that the driver was never made aware of the dangers on electric cables giving that he will have done 35 hours of training for his DCPC and his employer will have signed something to say that the driver has been trained for TASCC without all the countless inductions he will have done for various sites.
Sites not allowing divers to clean out on site safely are as guilty though and not helping food security and cross contamination.
I could go on and on. As has been said, no matter what the training, accidents will happen and although I have every sympathy for the driver I would hate so see it finish his employer and all of his former work colleagues.

 

[fieldfarmer]

so according to the judge must I now give training on how not to injure yourself while carrying out illegal practices such as fly tipping?

 

[multi power]

It's just keeping the risks of drivers moving around the yard and risk getting hurt on their premises. IMO these mills should be named & shamed.

My sympathy to the driver in this case. If his employer had done the risk assessment and briefed the drivers about power lines the driver wouldn't have got as much compensation.

He clearly isn't capable of driving a tipping lorry if he doesn't know to check for power lines before tipping