What happens when mills refuse to let drivers sweep out

[Bury the Trash]

So do the mills tale a representative sample

yes.

 

[Blaithin]

There'll be plenty of sampling, don't worry. The last load of mine delivered to Wynnstay, the driver took 2 samples whilst loading. + the one I sent them. Then it's sampled on delivery at the mill......and that's only for livestock feed.....

More of my crop leaves in 1kg bags than in wagons.

There is not enough trust in the integrity of people to accept bagged samples as representing the current load in the trailer here Plus those bagged samples wouldn’t have any contaminants picked up from the trailer itself would they.

Farmers can bring in bin samples in baggies to get an idea what they have on farm but every load is graded based on samples taken at time of delivery. So then you have to add the pails the probe sucks up to the bagged samples It’s how I feed my chickens

 

[7610 super q]

There is not enough trust in the integrity of people to accept bagged samples as representing the current load in the trailer here Plus those bagged samples wouldn’t have any contaminants picked up from the trailer itself would they.

Farmers can bring in bin samples in baggies to get an idea what they have on farm but every load is graded based on samples taken at time of delivery. So then you have to add the pails the probe sucks up to the bagged samples It’s how I feed my chickens

Probed at the mills here too. It's how @Grain Buyer feeds his chickens skiing holidays.

 

[Grain Buyer]

does anyone want to buy 5,000kg of assorted barley, osr and wheat in individual 1kg bags.....buyer collects......that won't even pay for the lit passes

 

[Blaithin]

does anyone want to buy 5,000kg of assorted barley, osr and wheat in individual 1kg bags.....buyer collects......that won't even pay for the lit passes

Get some chickens!

Watch out, too much canola can make some hens lay fishy tasting eggs...

 

[kiwi pom]

The guy made a mistake and tipped too close to power lines, he'll probably always question himself over it and his life will never be the same again. At some stage he's been advised he could get compensation so he's gone after it, as would most of you on here.
As to the receiver problem my question remains what would you do if you couldn't sweep out and had to be clean for your next load

but what's the point as the receiver will not let you

This is the problem, you'll just do what the receiver wants instead of standing up to them. If every driver, with the backing of their company insisted on sweeping out on site because they did not want to be accused of theft (which is what it is) the problem would go away overnight.
That's common sense, it seems some of you cant see it, you'd rather get all hysterical over H&S rules.
Now you're aware of the problem all of you that sell grain will be ringing your buyers to insist on this, right?

 

[Yorkshire lad]

I was talking to a Dutch haulier while waiting for a ferry at Immingham .He does alot of deliveries to and from farms and feed mills around Holland . He told me that he has stopped buying tipping bulkers .
For collecting grain he now uses low sided walking floor trailers like some of the quarries here use . To deliver to farms he uses bottom discharge tankers .
ive noticed For Farmers have some tankers working out of Selby but they look to be rear dischargge tippers to me so i cant see the advantage of them
I wonder in 10 years time if walking floor trailers will replace tippers the Tarmac seems to have alot of these trailers now
Also a bottom discharge tanker will carry more than a tipper as it has no ram and oil tank and is a monococ construction

 

[kiwi pom]

I was talking to a Dutch haulier while waiting for a ferry at Immingham .He does alot of deliveries to and from farms and feed mills around Holland . He told me that he has stopped buying tipping bulkers .
For collecting grain he now uses low sided walking floor trailers like some of the quarries here use . To deliver to farms he uses bottom discharge tankers .
ive noticed For Farmers have some tankers working out of Selby but they look to be rear dischargge tippers to me so i cant see the advantage of them
I wonder in 10 years time if walking floor trailers will replace tippers the Tarmac seems to have alot of these trailers now
Also a bottom discharge tanker will carry more than a tipper as it has no ram and oil tank and is a monococ construction

I quite like V bin trailers with variable speed belts in them for grain/grass seed/spuds etc. have to be careful with some aggregates not to tear the belt but I think there's some using them for road stone here now. Spreading aggregates with tippers has always been popular here but H&S is making people move away from it and using belly dumps, which is fine for trailers but not practical for rigid tippers.
Not driven tippers for a while but everywhere I used to go with fert or grain either involved fully opening the tailgate (air latches) or if using the chute you could jump in and clean the corners out.

 

[JP1]

Maybe this is the usual badly written article but why would a tipping truck driver not use the same risk assessment when elevating his tipper wherever it was sited: mill, home yard or layby?

 

[quattro]

I was talking to a Dutch haulier while waiting for a ferry at Immingham .He does alot of deliveries to and from farms and feed mills around Holland . He told me that he has stopped buying tipping bulkers .
For collecting grain he now uses low sided walking floor trailers like some of the quarries here use . To deliver to farms he uses bottom discharge tankers .
ive noticed For Farmers have some tankers working out of Selby but they look to be rear dischargge tippers to me so i cant see the advantage of them
I wonder in 10 years time if walking floor trailers will replace tippers the Tarmac seems to have alot of these trailers now
Also a bottom discharge tanker will carry more than a tipper as it has no ram and oil tank and is a monococ construction

Friend of mine works there I think you can empty any compartment you want and very quiet for blowing on a night
Worst job is loading them

 

[TheTallGuy]

An acquaintance of mine working tippers gets a sheet for every job with the details on the top half, the bottom half of the sheet has a generic risk assessment & form that states that every tipping location must be level solid ground, checked for overhead obstructions before tipping commences & must be at least 5m from overhead power cables - the driver has a series of quick yes/no questions and has to sign the sheet. There is also a daily sign-off as part of the vehicle check sheet that stipulates that tipping must only occur at the delivery locations specified on the paperwork & tipping in unauthorised locations is gross misconduct.

 

[kiwi pom]

An acquaintance of mine working tippers gets a sheet for every job with the details on the top half, the bottom half of the sheet has a generic risk assessment & form that states that every tipping location must be level solid ground, checked for overhead obstructions before tipping commences & must be at least 5m from overhead power cables - the driver has a series of quick yes/no questions and has to sign the sheet. There is also a daily sign-off as part of the vehicle check sheet that stipulates that tipping must only occur at the delivery locations specified on the paperwork & tipping in unauthorised locations is gross misconduct.

So how does he clean the trailer out if he's not allowed to at the delivery point?
Pull into a layby and sweep it instead of tipping it?

 

[ollie989898]

I was talking to a Dutch haulier while waiting for a ferry at Immingham .He does alot of deliveries to and from farms and feed mills around Holland . He told me that he has stopped buying tipping bulkers .
For collecting grain he now uses low sided walking floor trailers like some of the quarries here use . To deliver to farms he uses bottom discharge tankers .
ive noticed For Farmers have some tankers working out of Selby but they look to be rear dischargge tippers to me so i cant see the advantage of them
I wonder in 10 years time if walking floor trailers will replace tippers the Tarmac seems to have alot of these trailers now
Also a bottom discharge tanker will carry more than a tipper as it has no ram and oil tank and is a monococ construction

Those cake tankers hold more product for the same tare weight. Less reason to climb on it as well.

 

[ollie989898]

The guy made a mistake and tipped too close to power lines, he'll probably always question himself over it and his life will never be the same again. At some stage he's been advised he could get compensation so he's gone after it, as would most of you on here.
As to the receiver problem my question remains what would you do if you couldn't sweep out and had to be clean for your next load



This is the problem, you'll just do what the receiver wants instead of standing up to them. If every driver, with the backing of their company insisted on sweeping out on site because they did not want to be accused of theft (which is what it is) the problem would go away overnight.
That's common sense, it seems some of you cant see it, you'd rather get all hysterical over H&S rules.
Now you're aware of the problem all of you that sell grain will be ringing your buyers to insist on this, right?

The thing to do is for hauliers to collectively refuse to tip at mills unless they are free to fully unload there. This accident was institutional in nature.

 

[kiwi pom]

The thing to do is for hauliers to collectively refuse to tip at mills unless they are free to fully unload there. This accident was institutional in nature.

They wont though will they, no different than farmers or contractors there's always someone that will do it and ignore the problem.
Same as the "mobile storage" problem if everyone charged 100 quid an hour after the first 1-2 hours of wait time, things would change and transport could be more efficient.

 

[unlacedgecko]

They wont though will they, no different than farmers or contractors there's always someone that will do it and ignore the problem.
Same as the "mobile storage" problem if everyone charged 100 quid an hour after the first 1-2 hours of wait time, things would change and transport could be more efficient.

Do most hauliers not charge demarage?

Every contract I’ve worked on has had some sort of waiting time payment.

 

[Exfarmer]

Do most hauliers not charge demarage?

Every contract I’ve worked on has had some sort of waiting time payment.

Such charges sould be made to the seller to the mill if it was a delivered price. So the responsibility would end up on poor farmer

 

[TheTallGuy]

So how does he clean the trailer out if he's not allowed to at the delivery point?
Pull into a layby and sweep it instead of tipping it?

If there's no facility for cleaning the driver or office contact the next pick up location to see if they will allow the trailer to be cleared there - otherwise it's a case of return to base (or other authorised location) & a surcharge is made. When quoting for jobs to problem locations the surcharge is included - it is also detailed in the terms on all their quotes.

 

[Flat 10]

Because his employer hadn't assessed that risk then put it in the manual and training procedure. No other reason.

But do you have to write down drivers must not break the law? Serious question (assuming he is dumping on a public highway). Can't see that can be right or you would have to tell him to obey speed limits etc ?

 

[kiwi pom]

If there's no facility for cleaning the driver or office contact the next pick up location to see if they will allow the trailer to be cleared there - otherwise it's a case of return to base (or other authorised location) & a surcharge is made. When quoting for jobs to problem locations the surcharge is included - it is also detailed in the terms on all their quotes.

I'm being really picky here I know but they should insist the trailer is properly emptied BEFORE weighing out at the receiver. If you have, for example a load of wheat and cant clean the corners out before weighing out you have stolen that wheat from the farmer.
The farm sold the whole load not most of it. If its actually empty but just needs a wash out that's a bit different. There really is a major lack of common sense with these places.