What happens when the Queens speech....

Martin Holden

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Heard a snippet of his response to the Queems speech. Basically said it was pointless tabling one as Bojo is -40 odd votes for a majority in the house and reminding us he had lost all votes since becoming PM. Is this chap for real???’ If he doesn’t like the heat in the kitchen, he can go for an election. If the Queens speech is voted down, they have to go for a confidence vote. They have the Benn act now to “protect” no leave without a deal, so time to step up to the plate. Labours position on Brexit is wishy washy and their vision of a state owned return to major industries gives me visions of the bad old days of the 70’s. Heaven help us!!
 

bobk

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Heard a snippet of his response to the Queems speech. Basically said it was pointless tabling one as Bojo is -40 odd votes for a majority in the house and reminding us he had lost all votes since becoming PM. Is this chap for real???’ If he doesn’t like the heat in the kitchen, he can go for an election. If the Queens speech is voted down, they have to go for a confidence vote. They have the Benn act now to “protect” no leave without a deal, so time to step up to the plate. Labours position on Brexit is wishy washy and their vision of a state owned return to major industries gives me visions of the bad old days of the 70’s. Heaven help us!!

Stephen Kinnock was honest enough to say Labour would get battered in a GE if brexit isn't sorted first
 

czechmate

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Heard a snippet of his response to the Queems speech. Basically said it was pointless tabling one as Bojo is -40 odd votes for a majority in the house and reminding us he had lost all votes since becoming PM. Is this chap for real???’ If he doesn’t like the heat in the kitchen, he can go for an election. If the Queens speech is voted down, they have to go for a confidence vote. They have the Benn act now to “protect” no leave without a deal, so time to step up to the plate. Labours position on Brexit is wishy washy and their vision of a state owned return to major industries gives me visions of the bad old days of the 70’s. Heaven help us!!


My dad, who was a complete capitalist,was balanced enough to point out that all the failing, useless nationalised industries were actually failing before they were nationalised...
 

Martin Holden

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My dad, who was a complete capitalist,was balanced enough to point out that all the failing, useless nationalised industries were actually failing before they were nationalised...
Some were to be fair. Privatisation isn’t always a bad thing. It’s just that some industries were inefficient in the past being state owned. For example UK steel industry is so small on a global level that pumping public money in wouldn’t save them.
 
Well, yes it did but it didn’t make a long lasting business model sadly especially up against cheaper Chinese production but the Chinese produce with lots more pollution than we do!


British Steel was competative in the Capitalist sense.

But Chinese Steel is funded directly from the Bank of China and in reality ALL Chinese production should face massive tariffs.

The question really should be how China can use one set of anti competative rules yet the UK cannot fund anything.

Perhaps the answer is in who is really making money.
 

Martin Holden

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British Steel was competative in the Capitalist sense.

But Chinese Steel is funded directly from the Bank of China and in reality ALL Chinese production should face massive tariffs.

The question really should be how China can use one set of anti competative rules yet the UK cannot fund anything.

Perhaps the answer is in who is really making money.
i agree and Donald twigged this some time ago hence the trade spat between China and the USA. I don’t blame the USA for getting tough. China have been taking the Micky for too long
 

Danllan

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Stephen Kinnock was honest enough to say Labour would get battered in a GE if brexit isn't sorted first
I've mixed feeling about him. He is, generally, a decent democrat, I don't like most of his politics but he hasn't changed what he says to anyone at any time just to get approval. However, he did seem a bit too keen on TM's 'deal' for my liking and, recently, he has even tried to resurrect it. But I have heard him say that he'd vote for the deal that Boris appears to be reaching - not sure if that is a good or a bad thing. :scratchhead:
 

Scribus

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i agree and Donald twigged this some time ago hence the trade spat between China and the USA. I don’t blame the USA for getting tough. China have been taking the Micky for too long

There are plenty of folk in the US who have been making tidy sums out of shipping production out to China and will have resisted any attempt to restrict their business, Apple being a prime example. The irony is that the blue collar sections of American society might have more to thank a Republican president for than the white collar, or should that be polo neck V.turtle neck nowdays?
 

Scribus

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My dad, who was a complete capitalist,was balanced enough to point out that all the failing, useless nationalised industries were actually failing before they were nationalised...

It all boils down to the class divisions nurtured over the centuries. The gentry were never keen on the peasants and were quite happy to confine them to filthy hovels on the land until the industrial revolution came along and then they could be trapped in filthy slums instead. Neither were the gentry very keen on doing business, getting filty rich yes, but actually earning that money through manufacture and trading, no. They had the middle class to do that sort of thing and naturally the middle classes happily adopted the habits and attitudes of their masters, all of which, in short, led to the crap management and stroppy labour that the UK suffered from during the twentieth century.
 

czechmate

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It all boils down to the class divisions nurtured over the centuries. The gentry were never keen on the peasants and were quite happy to confine them to filthy hovels on the land until the industrial revolution came along and then they could be trapped in filthy slums instead. Neither were the gentry very keen on doing business, getting filty rich yes, but actually earning that money through manufacture and trading, no. They had the middle class to do that sort of thing and naturally the middle classes happily adopted the habits and attitudes of their masters, all of which, in short, led to the crap management and stroppy labour that the UK suffered from during the twentieth century.


Yes. Your post has me thinking of “The man in the White suit”
 

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Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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