what is AD all about?

[Neddy flanders]

No disrespect to @AgriiMark or any other AD businesses atall, but can someone explain how this is in any way "green" energy?
Brand new clamps with acres of land concreted over.
Brand new mega foragers
umpteen trailers and lorries carting chopped rye about and then digestate.
is the diesel use per tonne not greater than the electricity equivalent output?

 

[teslacoils]

The public gets what the public wants.
Or what they think they want.
Or what politicians tell them they want.
Then they change their mind.

It's green because the alternative is to tell Me and Mrs voter to use their cars less, take fewer holidays on planes, or make changes that actually impact their lives.

This way HM govt can look all snazzy, then in a few years the public will complain and a new "digester tax" will appear instantly recouping all the rhi or whatever to build them .

It's green because the public think it, and politicians say it. My local ad plant uses food waste and puts gas into the grid. Digestate stays within a few miles. That's green.

 

[Fubar]

No disrespect to @AgriiMark or any other AD businesses atall, but can someone explain how this is in any way "green" energy?
Brand new clamps with acres of land concreted over.
Brand new mega foragers
umpteen trailers and lorries carting chopped rye about and then digestate.
is the diesel use per tonne not greater than the electricity equivalent output?

Along with biomass burners running all summer just to get the RHI it is one of the biggest scams of the last decade.
Using subsidised fuel on subsidised land to produce overly priced electricity.
Has a carbon audit ever been carried out to see just how green these things really are ?

 

[Henarar]

subsidy

 

[Courier]

A new AD plant just being built near here for mainly the Gas to go into the gas grid - Carting chopped rye in by tractor & trailer from 20 miles away......

 

[DRC]

It’s another use for land that would otherwise grow more crops or livestock that we are all struggling to sell at a decent price.

 

[Fubar]

I assume most critics on here are like me and mainly jealous that we didn't jump on the gravy train when the RHI s were so good.

 

[teslacoils]

I assume most critics on here are like me and mainly jealous that we didn't jump on the gravy train when the RHI s were so good.

None of the neighbours would join up to make one with us back in the days of decent rhi. Perhaps they just think I'm a see-you-next-Tuesday. But hey ho.

If I wanted to grow crops for one there is good demand, and I'm a happy home for the digestate so all is well.

 

[Highland Mule]

No disrespect to @AgriiMark or any other AD businesses atall, but can someone explain how this is in any way "green" energy?
Brand new clamps with acres of land concreted over.
Brand new mega foragers
umpteen trailers and lorries carting chopped rye about and then digestate.
is the diesel use per tonne not greater than the electricity equivalent output?

Apparently not. There was a post on here last month with the statistics - from memory it generated around three to eight times the input energy, after all was said and done. The difference came depending on the crops grown.

 

[digger64]

It’s another use for land that would otherwise grow more crops or livestock that we are all struggling to sell at a decent price.

how would you define a decent price ?

 

[TripleSix]

how would you define a decent price ?

More than £20 above COP

 

[DRC]

how would you define a decent price ?

Wheat needs to be £180 ton, year on year .

 

[digger64]

Wheat needs to be £180 ton, year on year .

it virtually is if you add the sub to it at say 3+ ton acre

 

[Chae1]

Why don't they put waste from fish guts, slaughterhouses. FYM in them?

 

[DRC]

it virtually is if you add the sub to it at say 3+ ton acre

The sub is decoupled from production. Why bother growing crops if you need to count it in your gross margin.

 

[Clive]

The public gets what the public wants.
Or what they think they want.
Or what politicians tell them they want.
Then they change their mind.

It's green because the alternative is to tell Me and Mrs voter to use their cars less, take fewer holidays on planes, or make changes that actually impact their lives.

This way HM govt can look all snazzy, then in a few years the public will complain and a new "digester tax" will appear instantly recouping all the rhi or whatever to build them .

It's green because the public think it, and politicians say it. My local ad plant uses food waste and puts gas into the grid. Digestate stays within a few miles. That's green.

It’s “renewable" but that’s about as green as it gets - the rest is very questionable Environmentally I think unless waste or by products are used - growing crops to use in ad must use more energy that it produces ?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I suppose they are not producing food .
Less food,better prices .
It's not as daft as burning trees

 

[Derrick Hughes]

It’s “renewable" but that’s about as green as it gets - the rest is very questionable Environmentally I think unless waste or by products are used - growing crops to use in ad must use more energy that it produces ?

Is there not a world glut of food atm

Better to make use of land to grow something than nothing .

 

[Clive]

Is there not a world glut of food atm

Better to make use of land to grow something than nothing .

There is no “glut”. Just a distribution problem

Rising population and depleting soils globally means we have a perfect storm brewing to a point where using farmland for any purpose other than food production verges on immoral

 

[Derrick Hughes]

There is no “glut”. Just a distribution problem

Rising population and depleting soils globally means we have a effect storm brewing to a point where using farmland for any purpose other than food production verges on immoral

That's your opinion. My opinion is that UK farming is on go slow as prices are so crap .
In this part of Wales that's for sure , the UK alone could double the amount of food produced .
Better to keep that land producing Biomass until they need British Farmers to start producing again, But not atm ,
Are not prices in the US crap as well .
Farmers are all in the same boat