What is the future for Northern Ireland

[Ashtree]

This religious catholic / prod thing, these days is an absolute nothing in ROI. Quite frankly ROI folks today, don’t give one single flying fkukk about religion.

 

[JimAndy]

I have "Protestant" (although I do detest identifying people by their religion) family members who live in ROI, and I have yet to hear tell of them having any issue with how they are treated by the nation, most people don't care.
The same goes for a fellow cattle breeder down there, he used to get very uneasy about going to to the North.

The same goes for the mainland UK, there may be a few extreme areas, but on the whole people's religion doesn't cross normal people's minds.
I've known neighbours here in Scotland for over 20 years and I have no clue what religion they are nor do I care, they probably don't celebrate a religion, and to be honest until I read thereads on TFF that mention religion, it doesn't even enter my head.

Taking an interest in that kind of thing seems to be more common in NI.

This religious catholic / prod thing, these days is an absolute nothing in ROI. Quite frankly ROI folks today, don’t give one single flying fkukk about religion.

and yet a young caven boy is dead purely because his dad was a Protestant and when he went for help to his priest headmaster, he did nothing ,remember his bullies were people in the same school, don't try tell me the headmaster/ teachers didn't have a fair idea who they were.


I also notice i did use the word British 3 times in my post to refer to the people I'm talking about and Protestant once. yet you both latched onto the word Protestant, not British yet you both claim the religion doesn't matter ?

Look i know that the vast amount of people on both side have moved on and don't give a dam about religion/nationally anymore.
I'm a agonist/atheist myself because i saw what a pack of two face gits the people running the church are (tho i still put down of Protestant descent) and i call myself Irish , I live in a largely RC area and i get on well with all my neighbours (except one who a prod but it because he a asshole not a prod why i don't like him) ive sat in the local gaa club supporting the local team and have sat in the local chapel to pay my respects when needed and sat threw the night at the wake. I've party in Barns with them and have a love of irish music. locally the people have always been good to me as i have been to them.

it was in Dublin while sitting in a pub wearing a Ireland shirt I was told to F$%k of back to England ( in fairness there would be places in Belfast that would tell a southern to F$%£k back off home as well) The point being that ON BOTH SIDES there are people that still hate, but this pretence from the southern that every thing is great and rosy, that they never did any thing wrong, never treated anyone as second class. and until the people in the south have a open and honest chat, that maybe they not a sweat and innocent as they like to think they are, That had they treated the people in the north (and those in the south who still saw them self's as part British) a bit better in the past. it would be easier to build bridges now to unite the people and yes i know that the history of the north is just as bad, many things have been done, which as a northern I'm ashamed off. But I'm will to accept that, face it and have the truth come out. I don't see the same happing in the south

 

[nivilla1982]

Won't be a United ireland ,,, there will be a new ireland with united people, new flag new national anthem, with brits, irish and European money all needed, Its all ready starting,

I note a recent newspaper survey in the ROI, indicating a marked reluctance to change the current flag, anthem and others items etc.

 

[M-J-G]

and yet a young caven boy is dead purely because his dad was a Protestant and when he went for help to his priest headmaster, he did nothing ,remember his bullies were people in the same school, don't try tell me the headmaster/ teachers didn't have a fair idea who they were.


I also notice i did use the word British 3 times in my post to refer to the people I'm talking about and Protestant once. yet you both latched onto the word Protestant, not British yet you both claim the religion doesn't matter ?

Look i know that the vast amount of people on both side have moved on and don't give a dam about religion/nationally anymore.
I'm a agonist/atheist myself because i saw what a pack of two face gits the people running the church are (tho i still put down of Protestant descent) and i call myself Irish , I live in a largely RC area and i get on well with all my neighbours (except one who a prod but it because he a asshole not a prod why i don't like him) ive sat in the local gaa club supporting the local team and have sat in the local chapel to pay my respects when needed and sat threw the night at the wake. I've party in Barns with them and have a love of irish music. locally the people have always been good to me as i have been to them.

it was in Dublin while sitting in a pub wearing a Ireland shirt I was told to F$%k of back to England ( in fairness there would be places in Belfast that would tell a southern to F$%£k back off home as well) The point being that ON BOTH SIDES there are people that still hate, but this pretence from the southern that every thing is great and rosy, that they never did any thing wrong, never treated anyone as second class. and until the people in the south have a open and honest chat, that maybe they not a sweat and innocent as they like to think they are, That had they treated the people in the north (and those in the south who still saw them self's as part British) a bit better in the past. it would be easier to build bridges now to unite the people and yes i know that the history of the north is just as bad, many things have been done, which as a northern I'm ashamed off. But I'm will to accept that, face it and have the truth come out. I don't see the same happing in the south

I latched onto nothing to do with religion, as I don't recognise these superstitious notions as reality, and don't care for being classed along with people who do.
I merely used the term by way of facilitating the discussions, and as I said, I detest identifying people by the likes.
Although I quoted your post, I was addressing the Northern notion that people who aren't Irish (whatever that even means these days) will be run out of town is a bit of an exaggeration.
My family chose to be Protestants from the North and those in the south get no hassle that I'm aware of despite being there for 40 or so years, and my cousin in in a mixed marriage down there and as far as I'm aware their kids get no hassles at school.

The story of the lad in Cavan is truly sickening, unfortunately bullying happens everywhere, I'm guessing race, religion, nationality will have led to cases like this that we never hear about, I'm sure none of us are so naive as to believe that the reverse hasn't happened north of the border, or that a race row hasn't caused a similar tragedy in England or Scotland or France, but I'm not sure that brands the country in which it happens as being behind it or being intolerant.

 

[M-J-G]

I note a recent newspaper survey in the ROI, indicating a marked reluctance to change the current flag, anthem and others items etc.

I think that's because they don't want you and if keeping their anthem etc. keeps you away it will suit them,
The sad part is that it seems this side of the water don't want you all that much either. Not you personally of course

 

[Lowland1]

London is part of England, Ireland is a separate country being part of the UK. Why not have a referendum on the issue of a united Ireland and using your logic allow the whole of the UK to vote on it!

I’ve always thought that’s the best. The UK can all have a vote on whether to get rid off the annoying bits on the edges and should they go then England can do a Putin and take it all back and install a couple of puppet Governments. It’s actually quite simple. Scotland and Wales only. Ireland is an Island a bit like Taiwan oh hang on.

 

[M-J-G]

London is part of England, Ireland is a separate country being part of the UK. Why not have a referendum on the issue of a united Ireland and using your logic allow the whole of the UK to vote on it!

I can imagine a united Ireland as a result of a NI and ROI vote mainly because ROI doesn't want a too heavy lame duck, but if all of the UK was voting it might just happen.

 

[Testy]

well this has escalated quickly...lol
Back to the original discussion then, farmers journal had it that a lot of farmers will miss out on the proposed suckler payment because of the hoops that you need to jump through to qualify for it.
Sheep farmers are going to be left out - what is the reason behind this
Department is pushing to bring in minimum farm size of 10 hectares (currently 3) to qualify for the resilience payment

In my own case
9.8 hec farm
buy weanlings and keep them for a year
40 head of sheep
The way this is shaping up I would get zero support payments.

Not many options here.

 

[Ashtree]

I note a recent newspaper survey in the ROI, indicating a marked reluctance to change the current flag, anthem and others items etc.

Haven‘t we a bit of Orange in the current flag, in anticipation of you guys wrapping it tightly around you.

 

[nivilla1982]

Haven‘t we a bit of Orange in the current flag, in anticipation of you guys wrapping it tightly around you.

Some may need refresher courses to avoid confusion with the Ivory Coast Flag.