What is the future for Northern Ireland

[Boohoo]

Finally we have a resignation, he should've resigned last week
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42688698
Hopefully the people of West Tyrone will make a better choice this time.

 

[nivilla1982]

SF got just over 50% of the vote last time.

 

[nivilla1982]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42794683
Karen Bradley chairs fresh Stormont talks

 

[Bones]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42794683
Karen Bradley chairs fresh Stormont talks

Who gives a f**k

 

[alex04w]

The future is....

Great new bands being formed...

(You really do wonder why he just happened to have bolt cutters with him).

 

[Danllan]

The future is....

Great new bands being formed...

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(You really do wonder why he just happened to have bolt cutters with him).

You would be surprised at some of the reasons people give for having bolt croppers. I have heard a teenager who had a pair of Irwins nearly as big as himself claim he 'always' carried them in his rucksack in case he forgot the code for the lock on his bike-chain.

 

[nivilla1982]

Will be interesting to see what action is taken against him.

 

[caveman]

Were they his croppers?
Did he leave with them?
Or were they left there for the other car owners to use?

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

I'm still trying to process the Gerry Adams interview that I saw yesterday.

How can we have reduced/limited/an end to free movement of people if there is no physical border between NI and the Republic?

Apologies if this has been covered within this thread already...

 

[manhill]

Can't May just sit back and let ROI and EU sort it out now as we're definitely coming out of the customs union now?

 

[Ashtree]

Can't May just sit back and let ROI and EU sort it out now as we're definitely coming out of the customs union now?

Definite and anything to do with leaving do not belong in the same sentence. That’s definite.

 

[Ashtree]

Publish and bedammed! SF should publish the details, to expose the last minute renaging by the DUP.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...s-it-time-papers-were-published-36618211.html

 

[Devil's advocate]

Would it be possibe for EIRE to leave the EU? Then the border problem is solved. Perhaps have a trading group based on the English speaking USA, Australlia,New Zealand, Eire, South Africa, UK & nowadays China, Norway & Sweden speak a lot of English.

I was a remainer, but now we are in this mess, we need to work out of it.

 

[yin ewe]

Would it be possibe for EIRE to leave the EU? Then the border problem is solved. Perhaps have a trading group based on the English speaking USA, Australlia,New Zealand, Eire, South Africa, UK & nowadays China, Norway & Sweden speak a lot of English.

I was a remainer, but now we are in this mess, we need to work out of it.

I think the powers that be are making a big deal about this. If there is a free trade deal done then nothing needs to change. There already exists a trade barrier as there is different vat rates between north and south and different currencies. I work for a company that currently exports to ROI, if tariffs are imposed surely all they need to do is add a line on the invoice for 'Export Tariff' which is paid by the customer and sent to the exchequer in the same way vat is done.

 

[wanton dwarf]

I think the powers that be are making a big deal about this. If there is a free trade deal done then nothing needs to change. There already exists a trade barrier as there is different vat rates between north and south and different currencies. I work for a company that currently exports to ROI, if tariffs are imposed surely all they need to do is add a line on the invoice for 'Export Tariff' which is paid by the customer and sent to the exchequer in the same way vat is done.

Yeah I thought the same.

Ireland already has different Taxes, Immigration and Currencies .. so the "Problems" already exist as they must do between the UK & France.

Whether there will be more problems post Brexit is to be seen.

 

[Hindsight]

Simple question to any posters on this thread from a bloke from the Fens who has never been to Ireland but remembers watching all the troubles and the Europa Hotel through my teenage years and beyond.

My question. I keep seeing reports that sectarian killing / fighting and presumably terrorism on the mainland will begin again if no agreement is sorted about the Irish border. Looks to me as though the EU are weaponising this issue.

So my question - will the killings begin again? Are Catholics and Protestants still at each others throats? I write as an agnostic aetheist Fen bloke. And apologise if I offend anyone - it is not intentional - just curious. .

 

[ollie989898]

Say to the EU we are coming out of the customs union.

Let the Irish decide what they want to do about the border. IE nothing. Neither party wants it. Job done.

It's all a storm in a tea cup anyway, plenty of other countries have border and customs checks, and have significant outward and inward freight movements. It ain't rocket science.

 

[yin ewe]

Simple question to any posters on this thread from a bloke from the Fens who has never been to Ireland but remembers watching all the troubles and the Europa Hotel through my teenage years and beyond.

My question. I keep seeing reports that sectarian killing / fighting and presumably terrorism on the mainland will begin again if no agreement is sorted about the Irish border. Looks to me as though the EU are weaponising this issue.

So my question - will the killings begin again? Are Catholics and Protestants still at each others throats? I write as an agnostic aetheist Fen bloke. And apologise if I offend anyone - it is not intentional - just curious. .

I live in an area that is mostly protestant, where we knew very little about the troubles, compared to border areas. There were a few catholics living in the area but we never mixed and went to different schools and although there was a level of suspicion, there was never any real animosity between the groups.
On the return to violence thing- the provisional IRA are linked and interwoven and basically controlled by sinn fein, so a return to violence would not look good for them as a political party. There are however smaller paramilitary groups like the real IRA, who have never been on ceasefire and might look for a reason to recruit members and ramp up attacks.

 

[Hindsight]

I live in an area that is mostly protestant, where we knew very little about the troubles, compared to border areas. There were a few catholics living in the area but we never mixed and went to different schools and although there was a level of suspicion, there was never any real animosity between the groups.
On the return to violence thing- the provisional IRA are linked and interwoven and basically controlled by sinn fein, so a return to violence would not look good for them as a political party. There are however smaller paramilitary groups like the real IRA, who have never been on ceasefire and might look for a reason to recruit members and ramp up attacks.

Hi. Thank you for your commentary. Probably as I had sort of expected.

My wife is from Glasgow area When I first met her in the early 80's she told me about her childhood growing up with an element of sectarianism there. Was very strange to me from the rural Fens of Cambridgeshire although I did have a cousin, my mothers sisters son, slightly older than me who joined the Army in about 76 as infantryman who served several tours of duty in NI.

Best wishes.

 

[manhill]

If you're Irish come in to the parlour (UK) There's a welcome there for you.
If your name is Timothy or Pat as long as you come out of the EU there's a welcome on the mat.
If you come from the mountains of Mourne or Killarney's lakes so blue
We'll sing you a song and we'll make a fuss, whoever you are you're one of us
If you're Irish the UK's the place for you!!
La la la la la.