What Massey have we here?

[Your imaginary friend]

Hi there, I am from Australia and new to this UK forum. I am trying to ID an industrial frontloader / backhoe that I have bought recently. The Brakes are totally seized making the machinery a dangerously loose gun. In an effort to fix this I have researched far and wide what model I am dealing with... but I have yet not come to a firm conclusion. I have been trawling the US forums and I am pretty sure now that their models are different and my model looks more like european images I could find. I am now quite sure that this would have been an import form the UK. My best guess is a MF50 or 40 (industrial machine)... however the rear axle model numbers are identical to the MF165 agricultural tractor. (part numbers 899473M2 and 899475M2)

Either way judging by images I could find online I jumped the gun and purchased (costly) PDF manuals for the MF 50B. We have now taken off the axles housing to get to the brakes and uncovered that the inner works of are somewhat different from the manual.

Taking things apart we have now confirmed:
- The disc brakes are a dry brake setup (the brake disks together with actuator springs have virtually been minced to a fine pulp).
- There are no brake shoes on the outer edge of the axle ... However I believe they were only an optional secondary brake system to the internal disc brakes.
- The rear axle housing shape matches like an earlier version of the MF 165 up to serial number 597745 (rather then shape of the later from SNo. 100001)
- One side of the rear axle housing seems to have a differential lock connection. However the MF 615 diagrams do not show the set up of the rear axle housing on that side and there are some critical little bits worn out and missing.
- I can get parts for the (dry) Brake actuator (Expander) no problem... but other parts seem trickier to ID and get hold of.

What we would still really like to confirm now is:
- What bloody model is this... MF615, B40, B50...B,C, D.... so that I can find better documentation and part numbers for putting this back together again. I have some photos attached so any educated guesses are most welcome!
- Documentation for the diff lock side of the rear axle housing.

If you have been trough any of the above on this or a related MF model... please share your experience, mistakes, little wins etc...

Thanks for any help

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[Pear John]

Hi, is this a 3 cylinder engine or a 4 cylinder.

 

[Pear John]

Hi, is this a 3 cylinder engine or a 4 cylinder.

Regards PearJohn

 

[Your imaginary friend]

Hi Pear John, thanks for touching base... it is a Perkins 212, 4 cylinder diesel

 

[Chae1]

It's a mf industrial 30 or 40 theres a thread on them on here somewhere.

 

[multi power]

I think it's a 40
Are you on Facebook? If so I can point you in the direction of lots of information

 

[Nearly]

@masseybreaker

 

[agrimax]

I'd say 50.

 

[masseybreaker]

not a clue too old for me

 

[SMID]

It,s a 3303 they had a clutch a 3305 was the torque converter version they were predecessors of the 50 we had one for a couple of years in the 70s. edit late 60s made

 

[Your imaginary friend]

It,s a 3303 they had a clutch a 3305 was the torque converter version they were predecessors of the 50 we had one for a couple of years in the 70s. edit late 60s made

Hi SMID, I reckon you are right it is a MF 3303! You would not know how long I have been going in circles to ID this machine... I did not know there was a 33** series. and it makes sense that it is the predecessor to the 50B becaus it looks almost identical but it has the later Rear axle housing. And the proof is on the plate in the picture. Thanks a tractor mile!

Bummer that I got myself the workshop manual for the 50B, totally useless now.... is there anybody out there who has got documentation for the MF3303 Model... I am in particular after workshop manual and part number lists.

 

[SMID]

Check the bolts holding the front axle bolster to the engine our one had been run with them slack and it eventually stripped the threads in the sump, we repaired it with helicoils , it held ok but I never had a lot of confidence in the repair ,moral of the story is prevention is better than cure.

 

[Your imaginary friend]

Right thanks I will check it out make sure its all tight

is there anybody out there who has got documentation for the MF3303 Model... I am in particular after workshop manual and part number lists.

 

[agrimax]

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I'd guess the backhoe may have seperate manuals... A MF 220 perhaps?

 

[Your imaginary friend]

Massey Ferguson 3303 & 3305 Tractor Owners Operator manual service book | eBay

For sale is an owners operation and periodical maintenance manual to suit a Massey Ferguson 3303 & 3305 tractor. ALSO INCLUDES A LARGE FOLD OUT WALL LUBRICATION AND SERVICING CHART.

www.ebay.com.au

Massey Ferguson Tractor 3303 & 3305 Workshop Service Manual - MF3303 MF3305 MF

THIS SERVICE WORKSHOP MANUAL GIVES DETAILED INFORMATION ON HOW TO DISMANTLE AND REPAIR VARIOUS COMPONENTSHUGE MANUAL APPROX 400 PAGES - MANUAL WILL

www.agrimanuals.com

Massey Ferguson Tractor 3303 & 3305 Parts Manual - MF3303 MF3305 MF

AN ILLUSTRATED PARTS MANUAL WITH EXPLODED DIAGRAMS SHOWING THE PARTS PART DESCRIPTION AND PART NUMBER A REPRODUCTION OF THE ORIGINAL IN VERY GOOD

www.agrimanuals.com

I'd guess the backhoe may have seperate manuals... A MF 220 perhaps?

Excellent detective work thanks ... will see if I can chase up at the backhoe manual too

 

[Cowabunga]

I'm guessing that the rear axle is similar to that of a 175 or 178. Possibly heavier casting but almost certain to have the nasty Girling dry brakes which were prone to oil contamination, glazing and generally either not working or banging on and locking the wheel.

This one has a square housing which was only used on the 1080 and 1200 tractors sold in the UK with dry brakes. All others had round axles. Near identical brakes though.

If you want to solve the brakes permanently you can convert to oil immersed type…..\

Note that if you go down this road you can only get four plates fitted where tractors from the factory with wet brakes had five, three one side and two the other. Four is still one more than Ford fitted to their tractors if I remember correctly.
Use your common sense to evaluate the job first, to make sure it is feasible with your axle.

 

[Your imaginary friend]

I'm guessing that the rear axle is similar to that of a 175 or 178. Possibly heavier casting but almost certain to have the nasty Girling dry brakes which were prone to oil contamination, glazing and generally either not working or banging on and locking the wheel.

This one has a square housing which was only used on the 1080 and 1200 tractors sold in the UK with dry brakes. All others had round axles. Near identical brakes though.

If you want to solve the brakes permanently you can convert to oil immersed type…..\

Note that if you go down this road you can only get four plates fitted where tractors from the factory with wet brakes had five, three one side and two the other. Four is still one more than Ford fitted to their tractors if I remember correctly.
Use your common sense to evaluate the job first, to make sure it is feasible with your axle.

Right !?! are you saying this model can be converted from dry brakes to wet brakes?

 

[Your imaginary friend]

The MF part number on my the rear axle housing (899473M2) is identical to the following models... 165,175,180 and the 40 model. It is the round shaped housing. Taking things apart we referred to the first youtube video from that Canadian guy he has the later square axle housing though... It was much harder to take the thing apart then what he did in the video.

 

[Cowabunga]

Right !?! are you saying this model can be converted from dry brakes to wet brakes?

If it has similar internals to those in the video, I don't see why not. Strip it down before deciding and ordering the parts. Oh and watch the videos.

 

[Cowabunga]

The MF part number on my the rear axle housing (899473M2) is identical to the following models... 165,175,180 and the 40 model. It is the round shaped housing. Taking things apart we referred to the first youtube video from that Canadian guy he has the later square axle housing though... It was much harder to take the thing apart then what he did in the video.

The last one we did on my farm was a 65 back in the late 1960's. Don't expect the new dry brakes to work properly for very long after replacement. They are terrible brakes.