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<blockquote data-quote="DrWazzock" data-source="post: 7540413" data-attributes="member: 2119"><p>They will make less mess on long term leys or permanent pasture. Young leys won’t carry them so well, nor will turnips.</p><p></p><p>If you have good grass leys already established I would hesitate to plough them or spray them off for turnips. Only destroy the grass leys if they have lost all the productive grasses are too rough for hay making or have too many weeds. We always include clover in our leys. This can be stitched in with a direct drill as can some decent ryegrass of course to rejuvenate an existing ley.</p><p>If you decide that a ley would better destroyed then maybe that’s an opportunity to try a couple years of spring barley before putting it back to grass maybe as undersown spring barley.</p><p>However the point I am making, is that for us in dry times the worst thing we did was plough out or spray off and direct drill grass leys. In dry times it can be a very expensive and fruitless business trying to grow a crop of turnips or even drill a new grass ley whereas an established grass ley is cheap and less risky to run. And we find that with dry springs, spring barley is the only crop that will get away fairly reliably, isn’t eaten off by beetles and is fairly cheap to look after.</p><p>It’s game over for brassicas here due to flea beetle. Grass leys are expensive and risky to reestablish from scratch.</p><p>Be cautious would be my advice. If the Galloways can overwinter on permanent pasture and hay with a bit of bought in hard feed then its probably better to leave it as it is. It’s robust, low risk and simple.</p><p>I’m not there on the ground though. I’m here and it’s very dry and frosty.and I’m a lot more cautious than I used to be.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DrWazzock, post: 7540413, member: 2119"] They will make less mess on long term leys or permanent pasture. Young leys won’t carry them so well, nor will turnips. If you have good grass leys already established I would hesitate to plough them or spray them off for turnips. Only destroy the grass leys if they have lost all the productive grasses are too rough for hay making or have too many weeds. We always include clover in our leys. This can be stitched in with a direct drill as can some decent ryegrass of course to rejuvenate an existing ley. If you decide that a ley would better destroyed then maybe that’s an opportunity to try a couple years of spring barley before putting it back to grass maybe as undersown spring barley. However the point I am making, is that for us in dry times the worst thing we did was plough out or spray off and direct drill grass leys. In dry times it can be a very expensive and fruitless business trying to grow a crop of turnips or even drill a new grass ley whereas an established grass ley is cheap and less risky to run. And we find that with dry springs, spring barley is the only crop that will get away fairly reliably, isn’t eaten off by beetles and is fairly cheap to look after. It’s game over for brassicas here due to flea beetle. Grass leys are expensive and risky to reestablish from scratch. Be cautious would be my advice. If the Galloways can overwinter on permanent pasture and hay with a bit of bought in hard feed then its probably better to leave it as it is. It’s robust, low risk and simple. I’m not there on the ground though. I’m here and it’s very dry and frosty.and I’m a lot more cautious than I used to be. [/QUOTE]
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