What type of heater heats electric cars?

[Timbo]

If any Scandinavian or Canadian TFF members have electric cars it would be great to hear how the electric cars perform at -20 and below.

Initially lost 30% range until the battery had warmed up. Very little ultimate range loss though.

Pretty impressive for it to be able to take cabin temp from -24c to +20c in 4 minutes too. (whilst plugged in)

 

[76masseyman]

What way was cabs heated of the deutz tractors with air cooled engine

I presume some have diesel powered heaters, like trucks have as night heaters.
My mates loader had one fitted, so nice and toasty, with clear windows on frosty mornings loading sugar beet.

 

[Finn farmer]

tbf i think its a fair comment when some electric cars claiming 300 mile range but can only do 100 under bad conditions, even less if you were towing. youd be hard pushed to find a diesel that cant do 200 miles even towing heavy loads around hills.

Horses for courses. If you tow, get a diesel, if you drive as "much" as an average driver, get petrol or electric.

If any Scandinavian or Canadian TFF members have electric cars it would be great to hear how the electric cars perform at -20 and below.

Haven't one (yet), but they're growing in popularity pretty fast. Lots of iD3's and 4's on the road, a few Taycans, many Tesla Model 3's. And very many Hyundais and Kia's. For an average person the range will be enough. When the temperatures hit -30°C you can expect the range to be 1/2 to 2/5 of the promised. But then again, hardly anyone will drive their diesels or petrols at those temperatures if they don't have to.

I'm waiting for the F150 Lightning to arrive, it'll be my next (family) car if it ever arrives in Finland. Maximum range i require is only around 200km, as that is the one way trip to see my grandparents, almost everything else is handled within 100km radius, probably 70% within 20km radius.

 

[ollie989898]

I presume some have diesel powered heaters, like trucks have as night heaters.
My mates loader had one fitted, so nice and toasty, with clear windows on frosty mornings loading sugar beet.

I believe Volvo loaders have all kinds of auxiliary systems you can fit to them for working in cold (or hot) climates.

 

[Finn farmer]

I presume some have diesel powered heaters, like trucks have as night heaters.
My mates loader had one fitted, so nice and toasty, with clear windows on frosty mornings loading sugar beet.

Diesel heaters are pretty common in tractors and cars here. Nothing like texting your tractor/car when you wake up and it waiting for you 30 minutes later all warmed up and ready to go.

 

[Pilatus]

Diesel heaters are pretty common in tractors and cars here. Nothing like texting your tractor/car when you wake up and it waiting for you 30 minutes later all warmed up and ready to go.

Are the diesel heaters you mention, a manufacturers extra or are they mainly bought from an independent supplier as an add on ?

 

[Timbo]

Are the diesel heaters you mention, a manufacturers extra or are they mainly bought from an independent supplier as an add on ?

Webasto or similar. Standard fit to many Disco 2's, 3's & 4's

 

[Pilatus]

Horses for courses. If you tow, get a diesel, if you drive as "much" as an average driver, get petrol or electric.


Haven't one (yet), but they're growing in popularity pretty fast. Lots of iD3's and 4's on the road, a few Taycans, many Tesla Model 3's. And very many Hyundais and Kia's. For an average person the range will be enough. When the temperatures hit -30°C you can expect the range to be 1/2 to 2/5 of the promised. But then again, hardly anyone will drive their diesels or petrols at those temperatures if they don't have to.

I'm waiting for the F150 Lightning to arrive, it'll be my next (family) car if it ever arrives in Finland. Maximum range i require is only around 200km, as that is the one way trip to see my grandparents, almost everything else is handled within 100km radius, probably 70% within 20km radius.

Slightly off topic.
Is the American type F150 pickup sold in Scandinavian countries? I find it interesting if it is, because it isn’t sold in Uk by Ford dealers, perhaps it is because we are right seat drivers in the Uk.

 

[dave mountain]

Slightly off topic.
Is the American type F150 pickup sold in Scandinavian countries? I find it interesting if it is, because it isn’t sold in Uk by Ford dealers, perhaps it is because we are right seat drivers in the Uk.

because they are lhd, mostly 2wd, absolutely enormous and very badly built by european/japanese standards
RAM is supposedly a fair bit better, and who doesnt want a cummins in their pickup
Duramax is also supposedly a lot better than the powerstroke

should add none of them would pass uk/eu emmisions tests

 

[Pilatus]

because they are lhd, mostly 2wd, absolutely enormous and very badly built by european/japanese standards
RAM is supposedly a fair bit better, and who doesnt want a cummins in their pickup
Duramax is also supposedly a lot better than the powerstroke

should add none of them would pass uk/eu emmisions tests

I really liked my Dodge Ram V8 while we lived at Bonanza, Northern Alberta,for 2yrs.
That said all pickups, when all said and done are a tinny load of expensive junk, might be a bit extreme, but in real life they do not live up to the “macho” lifestyle they portray in the TVadverts.
That said one thing I really do like about North American pickups is the amount of space in the cab compared to the confined space in comparison to Uk, available pickups.

 

[dave mountain]

I really liked my Dodge Ram V8 while we lived at Bonanza, Northern Alberta,for 2yrs.
That said all pickups, when all said and done are a tinny load of expensive junk, might be a bit extreme, but in real life they do not live up to the “macho” lifestyle they portray in the TVadverts.
That said one thing I really do like about North American pickups is the amount of space in the cab compared to the confined space in comparison to Uk, available pickups.

79 series cruiser is the most macho pickup you can get, about 100x as tough as anything american, but they wont pass our emissions either

 

[ollie989898]

I really liked my Dodge Ram V8 while we lived at Bonanza, Northern Alberta,for 2yrs.
That said all pickups, when all said and done are a tinny load of expensive junk, might be a bit extreme, but in real life they do not live up to the “macho” lifestyle they portray in the TVadverts.
That said one thing I really do like about North American pickups is the amount of space in the cab compared to the confined space in comparison to Uk, available pickups.

My friend had an F150 for a fair while, a newer one and the interior looked to have been lifted straight from a Mondeo, it was very very smart and spacious inside.

Another friend had a Chevrolet Avalanche. Just a monster engine in the front and a very crude 2wd drivetrain. Not a lot of finesse but both trucks could easily fit a big family in (avalanche sat 6 adults from memory) and all their equipment and belongings for a road trip or the like.

 

[Finn farmer]

Are the diesel heaters you mention, a manufacturers extra or are they mainly bought from an independent supplier as an add on ?

Mainly Webasto or Eber. Cheaper to retrofit by dealer than order it as a factory install.

Slightly off topic.
Is the American type F150 pickup sold in Scandinavian countries? I find it interesting if it is, because it isn’t sold in Uk by Ford dealers, perhaps it is because we are right seat drivers in the Uk.

They are now, they started selling them a couple of years back. They're usually fitted with rear air shocks to add more transport capacity. There are even couple of brand new Dodge Ram Trx's on sale. Pretty steep price of 150k€ for a truck, few have been sold as company cars.

They're not imported by Dodge or Ford, independent companies import and equip them as the customer wants them.

 

[stroller]

Forget the hills - you get the energy back going down again. And why would you have aircon and heated seat on at the same time? Or radio and CD player for that matter?

Because air con will clear a misted window a lot faster than just hot air, as the air has a lower humidity, regularly using the air con throughout the year will prevent the seals drying out.

 

[Finn farmer]

Are the diesel heaters you mention, a manufacturers extra or a re they mainly bought from an independent supplier as an add on ?

Mainly Webasto or Eber. Cheaper to retrofit by dealer than order it as a factory install.

Slightly off topic.
Is the American type F150 pickup sold in Scandinavian countries? I find it interesting if it is, because it isn’t sold in Uk by Ford dealers, perhaps it is because we are right seat drivers in the Uk.

They are now, they started selling them a couple of years back. They're usually fitted with rear air shocks to add more transport capacity. There are even couple of brand new Dodge Ram Trx's on sale. Pretty steep price of 150k€ for a truck, few have been sold as company cars.

145900€ incl. Vat 24%

 

[kiwi pom]

Forget the hills - you get the energy back going down again. And why would you have aircon and heated seat on at the same time? Or radio and CD player for that matter?

Do you only use your AC on hot days?
I use it all the time especially on damp days when the windows try and fog up, so the AC would be on every time the heated seat was, if I had a heated seat of course

 

[Highland Mule]

Because air con will clear a misted window a lot faster than just hot air, as the air has a lower humidity, regularly using the air con throughout the year will prevent the seals drying out.

, but see below.

Do you only use your AC on hot days?
I use it all the time especially on damp days when the windows try and fog up, so the AC would be on every time the heated seat was, if I had a heated seat of course

I used to do that in my diesel car as well, but that's because it didn't have a mains electric heater that can dry the car out overnight. My new car has an electric heated windscreen, which is far more efficient. Besides, I wrote about to the idea of running Aircon at the same time as electric seats, which would be very rare indeed. A timed preheated, mains electric connected Tesla or similar would not need the windows to be inefficiently demisted by running the aircon.

 

[Frankzy]

Are the diesel heaters you mention, a manufacturers extra or are they mainly bought from an independent supplier as an add on ?

A lot of manufacturers offers built-in diesel heaters, I assumed they would be an option anywhere that sees freezing temps but maybe not?
In the cases where they don't come factory built the general import agent will very often fit them to all cars that aren't completely bog standard spec.

 

[puntabrava]

The warmest type of heat

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