what value to put on old farm yard

[dannewhouse]

Or get the access bought

I own the access but I don't want to give loads of money for this little amount of yard but don't want anyone else to even try. I'm prepared to let someone take me to court etc over the access as I have all the paperwork showing no one else can use it so one day it might get rather interesting.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

In that case get a locked gate up so if anyone thinks they own it or someone fancies buying it they will have to speak to you - it flushes them out

 

[dannewhouse]

In that case get a locked gate up so if anyone thinks they own it or someone fancies buying it they will have to speak to you - it flushes them out

there is a get which is shut but due to being a bridle way gets awkward, I'm thinking of putting in an electric bollard in next.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

Well leave the offcial gap in the route and lock it. Speak to ROW people first but you can lock it one way or the other

Who owns the land all around it. Do you know the owner? Sorry can't recall what's been said previously on here now

 

[dannewhouse]

Well leave the offcial gap in the route and lock it. Speak to ROW people first but you can lock it one way or the other

Who owns the land all around it. Do you know the owner? Sorry can't recall what's been said previously on here now

me apart from 1 house but its not much use unless they knock it to the floor for access

 

[Doing it for the kids]

Well then approach the owner sure,y?

 

[smcapstick]

I own the access but I don't want to give loads of money for this little amount of yard but don't want anyone else to even try. I'm prepared to let someone take me to court etc over the access as I have all the paperwork showing no one else can use it so one day it might get rather interesting.

How far from the road is the site?

 

[dannewhouse]

How far from the road is the site?

The main road is like 200m ish
the privately owned lane is owned by multiple people roughly 50m from it then I become the sole owner.

 

[smcapstick]

The main road is like 200m ish
the privately owned lane is owned by multiple people roughly 50m from it then I become the sole owner.

So you only own 50m of access?

If somebody else bought the plot and wanted access, they'd win their case.

This is for four reasons:
1) There is existing access to the site (the road)
2) There is an existing shared access system in place (the multiple ownership part)
3) There is existing public access (the bridleway)
4) There is existing vehicular access (your tractors)

If you want to play hardball with a potential outside buyer, you need to have a good reason to refuse access. Simply saying 'because it's mine' doesn't cut it - you have literally no control over who walks or trots up there. There is also no argument for animal safety from vehicles, either, as it is already a vehicle access route.



Really, you just need to ask the vendor what he wants for it and hope that it's reasonable.

 

[S J H]

So you only own 50m of access?

If somebody else bought the plot and wanted access, they'd win their case.

This is for four reasons:
1) There is existing access to the site (the road)
2) There is an existing shared access system in place (the multiple ownership part)
3) There is existing public access (the bridleway)
4) There is existing vehicular access (your tractors)

If you want to play hardball with a potential outside buyer, you need to have a good reason to refuse access. Simply saying 'because it's mine' doesn't cut it - you have literally no control over who walks or trots up there. There is also no argument for animal safety from vehicles, either, as it is already a vehicle access route.



Really, you just need to ask the vendor what he wants for it and hope that it's reasonable.

I think if an outside buyer tried sell a house with that sort of access they'd come unstuck, depending on the value of the house.

I'd say the land is worth very little because of the access, whether it's got a building or not.

@dannewhouse I'd offer the top amount that you'd pay for it, or that amount and deduct a couple of grand and tell them you'll pay their legal fees, so they have a clear amount of money to be tempted by. If it's not for sale, then I don't see the point of going in with a low offer and pissing them off.

 

[dannewhouse]

I think if an outside buyer tried sell a house with that sort of access they'd come unstuck, depending on the value of the house.

I'd say the land is worth very little because of the access, whether it's got a building or not.

@dannewhouse I'd offer the top amount that you'd pay for it, or that amount and deduct a couple of grand and tell them you'll pay their legal fees, so they have a clear amount of money to be tempted by. If it's not for sale, then I don't see the point of going in with a low offer and pissing them off.

that's exactly what I don't want to do pee them off, I will wait until my account is looking a bit more healthy and might go have a chat with them nothing too hasty ive been debating it 5 year!

 

[S J H]

that's exactly what I don't want to do pee them off, I will wait until my account is looking a bit more healthy and might go have a chat with them nothing too hasty ive been debating it 5 year!

If an outsider wants to buy it, then I'm sure they'll have to buy the access from you. I've got a similar situation at the moment, and that had a formal right of way, but I wouldn't want to buy a £1.5m house with a right of way to get to it!

 

[Doing it for the kids]

Bid your time.

Do your best to block non animal traffic, in 5 yrs even stronger case

 

[multi power]

The main road is like 200m ish
the privately owned lane is owned by multiple people roughly 50m from it then I become the sole owner.

Are you 100% sure there is no right of access? If so the person who sold the surrounding land off had an incompetent solicitor

 

[carpenter1]

some one told me once, the courts say you can not land lock someone and they will always grant it
but how i do not know

 

[smcapstick]

some one told me once, the courts say you can not land lock someone and they will always grant it
but how i do not know

That's true, as far as I know.

You cannot block access to somebody else's property because the track goes through your field.

 

[7610 super q]

So you only own 50m of access?

If somebody else bought the plot and wanted access, they'd win their case.

This is for four reasons:
1) There is existing access to the site (the road)
2) There is an existing shared access system in place (the multiple ownership part)
3) There is existing public access (the bridleway)
4) There is existing vehicular access (your tractors)

If you want to play hardball with a potential outside buyer, you need to have a good reason to refuse access. Simply saying 'because it's mine' doesn't cut it - you have literally no control over who walks or trots up there. There is also no argument for animal safety from vehicles, either, as it is already a vehicle access route.



Really, you just need to ask the vendor what he wants for it and hope that it's reasonable.

This. Offer a fair price, and see how it goes. Trying to be a smartarse might make the owner sell to pikies, who won't give a f**k about rights of access/ gates/ paperwork.

 

[dannewhouse]

As far as I know the law regarding not being able to "land lock" people will be after this was sorted.

it might be advantageous for me to do away with the existing access by walling a bit of it up so that it cannot be used by vehicles.

regards blocking a track just because it goes to someone else's property you could claim any field leads to the next so because they sold a different a joining piece they can suddenly run through yours?
other argument if you put a hard track along a field boundary does that mean a neighbour can use it because its a track?