What Will Be The Turning Point?

[Clive]

Why do farmers worry about land being removed from production ? Surely less productive area mean less competition and therefore most likely best get prices for those left ?

you don’t se Tesco worrying about Sainsbury’s do you ?

im 100% for rewilding as much of the Uk as possible - it will improve our environment and wildlife and landscape whilst making my productive land more competitive / profitable

 

[BrianV]

Why do farmers worry about land being removed from production ? Surely less productive area mean less competition and therefore most likely best get prices for those left ?

you don’t se Tesco worrying about Sainsbury’s do you ?

im 100% for rewilding as much of the Uk as possible - it will improve our environment and wildlife and landscape whilst making my productive land more competitive / profitable

Think you need to seriously distinguish between the large arable farms that have caused this problem by convincing the public that farmers do only damage & the smaller livestock mixed farms that are really already to a certain degree rewilded but cannot afford the luxury of abandoning 5 or 10% of their farms.
Far too much notice is taking of the perpetrators of the problem & too little of those doing what the public consider the right thing!

 

[Clive]

Think you need to seriously distinguish between the large arable farms that have caused this problem by convincing the public that farmers do only damage & the smaller livestock mixed farms that are really already to a certain degree rewilded but cannot afford the luxury of abandoning 5 or 10% of their farms.
Far too much notice is taking of the perpetrators of the problem & too little of those doing what the public consider the right thing!

but why do we care so much about what other farmers are doing ? Surely better to focus on your own business rather than obsessing over the rights and wrongs of others ?
as I say, the more Uk land that’s goes out of production the better as far as my business is concerned

 

[BrianV]

but why do we care so much about what other farmers are doing ? Surely better to focus on your own business rather than obsessing over the rights and wrongs of others ?
as I say, the more Uk land that’s goes out of production the better as far as my business is concerned

By skewing the new system towards large estates simply by the acreage involved at the expense of smaller units it will make these smaller farms unviable & at worse unable to support 2 families unless farmed even more intensively, relying on less production for higher prices whilst Bozo does trade deals with the world is being some what hopeful.

 

[Clive]

By skewing the new system towards large estates simply by the acreage involved at the expense of smaller units it will make these smaller farms unviable & at worse unable to support 2 families unless farmed even more intensively, relying on less production for higher prices whilst Bozo does trade deals with the world is being some what hopeful.

As I say who cares what others do ? Focus on your own business surely is more productive

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I thought the welsh were a bit militant about incomers buying property ?

Not been any fires recently, apart from my hay lol

 

[BrianV]

As I say who cares what others do ? Focus on your own business surely is more productive

Seems to me it's just as important to focus on what's right for the next generation of farmers coming on rather than to simply focus on your own individual circumstances.

 

[Clive]

Seems to me it's just as important to focus on what's right for the next generation of farmers coming on rather than to simply focus on your own individual circumstances.

thats not our job, or anything we have power over really, leave that to industry leaders ……… whoever they maybe

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Why do farmers worry about land being removed from production ? Surely less productive area mean less competition and therefore most likely best get prices for those left ?

you don’t se Tesco worrying about Sainsbury’s do you ?

im 100% for rewilding as much of the Uk as possible - it will improve our environment and wildlife and landscape whilst making my productive land more competitive / profitable

I like to see active farming in this area ,farmers spend money in the community and keep the community active , a lot of good land was planted in the 60ts good farms taken out of production , they not even replanting a lot of it now , just growing brambles and scrub , looks a bl od y mess , , I employ 3 local staff supplying local farmers , you may call me a leach on farming
Trees are very lonely standing there on their own are they not

 

[Cowcorn]

As I say who cares what others do ? Focus on your own business surely is more productive

Groan !!! Spoken like a true im all right jack !! Or maybe a farmer on the decline and a property speculator on the rise ???
Small mixed farms that produce lamb ,beef , milk etc are more important than operators of grain only large operations that have very little to offer the tax paying common man in exchange for financial support .
So i offer you the same answer Ray McSharry gave a prominent English large Arable farmer back in 1991 . " if you have such large efficent operations why are you afraid of small farmes support big boys dont need it surely ?? Im also commissoner for rural communities and the maintenance of these is more of a concern " Maggie saved the estates from capping then and the rest is history .
Maybe just maybe this time a fairer more equal regime will prevail but somehow i doubt it .

 

[Clive]

Groan !!! Spoken like a true im all right jack !! Or maybe a farmer on the decline and a property speculator on the rise ???
Small mixed farms that produce lamb ,beef , milk etc are more important than operators of grain only large operations that have very little to offer the tax paying common man in exchange for financial support .
So i offer you the same answer Ray McSharry gave a prominent English large Arable farmer back in 1991 . " if you have such large efficent operations why are you afraid of small farmes support big boys dont need it surely ?? Im also commissoner for rural communities and the maintenance of these is more of a concern " Maggie saved the estates from capping then and the rest is history .
Maybe just maybe this time a fairer more equal regime will prevail but somehow i doubt it .

not all all !

im simply not worrying about stuff I have no control or influence over

if people want to rewilld their farms then that’s nothing to do with me, I don’t see land coming out of food production as a problem for me, likely the opposite in fact

 

[ski]

Groan !!! Spoken like a true im all right jack !! Or maybe a farmer on the decline and a property speculator on the rise ???
Small mixed farms that produce lamb ,beef , milk etc are more important than operators of grain only large operations that have very little to offer the tax paying common man in exchange for financial support .
So i offer you the same answer Ray McSharry gave a prominent English large Arable farmer back in 1991 . " if you have such large efficent operations why are you afraid of small farmes support big boys dont need it surely ?? Im also commissoner for rural communities and the maintenance of these is more of a concern " Maggie saved the estates from capping then and the rest is history .
Maybe just maybe this time a fairer more equal regime will prevail but somehow i doubt it .

I detect 'nouse' but no soul in his posts.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Uncle rented these fields for spuds in the 80’s and bought the fields outright in the June off the profit alone off those acres, it was bought in the year 2000 by Greenpeace group who let it go to ruin over 16 years, actually dumping those rocks there They then sold it on and the WG actually want it farmed and not brambles to be able to claim subsidy on them. After 4 years with horses and 12 months now with sheep we are managing to get 18 acres of what was good ground back to 6 acres of grass. 5 acres will never be recovered without agent Orange.
Both pictures are taken looking into the middle of what was a lovely 10 acre field.
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I am trying to get my head round why anyone would drop boulders in the middle of a field?

 

[glasshouse]

Why do farmers worry about land being removed from production ? Surely less productive area mean less competition and therefore most likely best get prices for those left ?

you don’t se Tesco worrying about Sainsbury’s do you ?

im 100% for rewilding as much of the Uk as possible - it will improve our environment and wildlife and landscape whilst making my productive land more competitive / profitable

How would i feel if they took your farm off you?
Engaging brain before keyboard helps

 

[Fake it ‘til you make it]

I like to see active farming in this area ,farmers spend money in the community and keep the community active , a lot of good land was planted in the 60ts good farms taken out of production , they not even replanting a lot of it now , just growing brambles and scrub , looks a bl od y mess , , I employ 3 local staff supplying local farmers , you may call me a leach on farming
Trees are very lonely standing there on their own are they not

Agree. It’s not all about “less competition.” Livestock farmers in particular rely on infrastructure such as farm animal vets, contractors, abattoirs, auction marts, etc. Critical mass is important to maintain this infrastructure, much of which has been lost in the South East, as @Frank-the-Wool and @delilah frequently point out.

 

[Clive]

How would i feel if they took your farm off you?
Engaging brain before keyboard helps

who is taking a farm off anyone ? Land has been nationalised as far as I know ?

 

[delilah]

First they came for the LFA farmers....

Anyone who doesn't understand that an attack on one form of farming, is an attack on all forms of farming, is a muppet.

 

[delilah]

I am trying to get my head round why anyone would drop boulders in the middle of a field?

Says it was Greenpeace, maybe practicing for the drops to sabotage fishing in Dogger Bank ?

 

[Top Tip.]

Why do farmers worry about land being removed from production ? Surely less productive area mean less competition and therefore most likely best get prices for those left ?

you don’t se Tesco worrying about Sainsbury’s do you ?

im 100% for rewilding as much of the Uk as possible - it will improve our environment and wildlife and landscape whilst making my productive land more competitive / profitable

You will be singing a different tune when that so called productive land is pinched from under your nose and put into rewilding schemes, and don’t think it can’t happen because it’s happening already. 12 t/ha wheat ground or black heather they don’t/can’t differentiate this is an ideology you are dealing with who don’t have the thought processes of normal people.

 

[Ashtree]

not all all !

im simply not worrying about stuff I have no control or influence over

if people want to rewilld their farms then that’s nothing to do with me, I don’t see land coming out of food production as a problem for me, likely the opposite in fact

But you agitate on here for family farmers, to abandon NFU, in favour of your own quango.

On the one hand you see personal gain for yourself if they are driven out of business, and simultaneously you want to lure them out of the NFU, to follow your own new quango.