What will happen to UK farm subsidies as farmers find themselves caught in Brexit crisis 'trap'?

[farmerm]

Duped , grasp , what ever the result stands leave won the vote and leve we must, like getting married for better or worse we must leave.

I don't like it, but I do agree that the only option now is to leave on 31st October, with or without a deal. Anything else will leave us stuck on the Brexit merry-go-round and term after term of impotent and short lived hung parliaments that will last decades. The damage of leaving can surely be no worse than the damage of having a country without a party able to steer it, or worse Corbyn.

 

[steveR]

Of course not all the 17million where tricked... but I am confident at least 1 in 17 voters could have voted either way and those were duped by promises based on half truths and lies. I have been saying for a long time the only credible end to this is a no deal or a no Brexit.

Really? That surprises me. I have come to the conclusion that the only way out is a classic British compromise (fudge) that will be a soft Brexit that will satisfy neither of the more extreme ends of the Brexit debate, BUT, will (may) offer a way out and a way to move on for the vast majority in the Middlle and get on with with living with the compromise.

 

[farmerm]

Really? That surprises me. I have come to the conclusion that the only way out is a classic British compromise (fudge) that will be a soft Brexit that will satisfy neither of the more extreme ends of the Brexit debate, BUT, will (may) offer a way out and a way to move on for the vast majority in the Middlle and get on with with living with the compromise.

Mays deal was fudge, too soft for some too hard for others it failed, failed and failed again. Fudge would appear to be dead and buried.

 

[Muck Spreader]

I don't like it, but I do agree that the only option now is to leave on 31st October, with or without a deal. Anything else will leave us stuck on the Brexit merry-go-round and term after term of impotent and short lived hung parliaments that will last decades. The damage of leaving can surely be no worse than the damage of having a country without a party able to steer it, or worse Corbyn.

The only thing that will get rid off being trapped in this endless Brexit merry-go-round is to revoke article 50. Leaving with or without a deal is merely crossing the start line for decades of Brexit trauma, while the country slowly stagnates. Nothing what so ever will go away on the 1st of November.

 

[roscoe erf]

Why is it that the people who vote remain moan about leave voters being duped?
16 million people voted remain and are apparently enlightened, and those 16 million believe 17 million were tricked!
Bizarre thing is, many remainders say "WE were tricked by the leave campaigners" even though they didn't vote leave!

and the worse are those that didn't vote or have left the country

 

[Steevo]

Not a fan of Pier Morgan but sums up Remoaners and the so called liberals very well.

Never come across Ben Shapiro before but it's a refreshing change to many UK programmes!

 

[rob1]

Leaver said to me that she voted 'because she was fed up being ruled by Belgium'.
Reckon the French and Germans would be disappointed by that

Where just goes to prove how little grasp many voters on both sides had on the issues involved!!

Perhaps if you look up the capital of Belgium you mind find what the lady meant

 

[little_p]

Maybe Europe will make the decision for us, they don’t have to grant us another extension.

Leave supporters have allways said that the EU have more to lose than us, remain supporters say that’s poppycock. If the remain supporters are right I really can’t see why the EU would grant us another extension as we are no nearer reaching a conclusion now than in March and I very much doubt another few months will alter that.

The longer this goes on, the longer it gives everybody the opportunity to plan for a no deal exit.
Maybe this is the best 'winners all round' scenario that we can now hope for?

It gives businesses time to plan for the opportunities and threats of no deal, time for trade deals to be advanced and concluded.
If the financial impact is reduced it allay the fears of the remainers and gives leavers the opportunity to say 'I knew all it would be project fear'. Everybody can claim some kind of victory.

As to the question of the OP, when a Labour government is re-elected - and there is going to be another one in the foreseeable future - do you think that they are going to continue to send money to what they perceive to be rich landowners?

 

[rob1]

The longer this goes on, the longer it gives everybody the opportunity to plan for a no deal exit.
Maybe this is the best 'winners all round' scenario that we can now hope for?

It gives businesses time to plan for the opportunities and threats of no deal, time for trade deals to be advanced and concluded.
If the financial impact is reduced it allay the fears of the remainers and gives leavers the opportunity to say 'I knew all it would be project fear'. Everybody can claim some kind of victory.

As to the question of the OP, when a Labour government is re-elected - and there is going to be another one in the foreseeable future - do you think that they are going to continue to send money to what they perceive to be rich landowners?

Labour generally f**ks the economy and the pound drops, farmers do beter then, corbyn will f**k the economy like never before

 

[little_p]

Labour generally fudges the economy and the pound drops, farmers do beter then, corbyn will fudge the economy like never before

Who said anything about Corbyn? He or any other Marxist learning party is not going to get anywhere near No.10. Who mentioned the economy? The OP asked about subsidies.
After several years in the wilderness, the Labour will regroup as the left leaning party of choice and will once again get elected. And do you really think that a left leaning government will continue to subsidise farmers?

 

[rob1]

Who said anything about Corbyn? He or any other Marxist learning party is not going to get anywhere near No.10. Who mentioned the economy? The OP asked about subsidies.
After several years in the wilderness, the Labour will regroup as the left leaning party of choice and will once again get elected. And do you really think that a left leaning government will continue to subsidise farmers?

Will worry about that when it happens then, we have been warned for a good while that subs would reduce and prepare for that, I view subs as a bonus to put aside for my retirement etc, as such their removal would have no effect on my business, it stands on its own feet without them, as should everyones by the time the subs stop

 

[bobk]

The only thing that will get rid off being trapped in this endless Brexit merry-go-round is to revoke article 50. Leaving with or without a deal is merely crossing the start line for decades of Brexit trauma, while the country slowly stagnates. Nothing what so ever will go away on the 1st of November.

Convenient you say that from 700 miles away having already left

 

[rob1]

Convenient you say that from 700 miles away having already left

he wants our cash so he doesnt have to pay for into the eu black hole

 

[Henarar]

Convenient you say that from 700 miles away having already left

did anyone object to that

 

[farmerm]

Perhaps if you look up the capital of Belgium you mind find what the lady meant

I am constantly being ticked off by leavers for trying to second guess what leave voters where thinking.... now you quote a leave voter and I am to interpret that "she was fed up of being ruled by Belgium" as meaning something more than her believing that the UK is ruled by Belgium Now perhaps the word "by" was intended to be "from" but it is not for me to say.... The irony of course is that the UK had more power and influence in the EU legislative process than Belgium, it is Belgium that should feel aggrieved by being ruled by the UK!

 

[Hilly]

I don't like it, but I do agree that the only option now is to leave on 31st October, with or without a deal. Anything else will leave us stuck on the Brexit merry-go-round and term after term of impotent and short lived hung parliaments that will last decades. The damage of leaving can surely be no worse than the damage of having a country without a party able to steer it, or worse Corbyn.

This is what remainers should be thinking

The only thing that will get rid off being trapped in this endless Brexit merry-go-round is to revoke article 50. Leaving with or without a deal is merely crossing the start line for decades of Brexit trauma, while the country slowly stagnates. Nothing what so ever will go away on the 1st of November.
Trust you to write this pish,

and the worse are those that didn't vote or have left the country

Aye the tit won’t ever get piles , god made him a perfect arsehole.

 

[Homesy]

I am constantly being ticked off by leavers for trying to second guess what leave voters where thinking.... now you quote a leave voter and I am to interpret that "she was fed up of being ruled by Belgium" as meaning something more than her believing that the UK is ruled by Belgium Now perhaps the word "by" was intended to be "from" but it is not for me to say.... The irony of course is that the UK had more power and influence in the EU legislative process than Belgium, it is Belgium that should feel aggrieved by being ruled by the UK!

Brussels ?? In Belgium perhaps

 

[farmerm]

Brussels ?? In Belgium perhaps

yes I do know that... ruled by Belgium or ruled from Belgium

 

[Bury the Trash]

I am constantly being ticked off by leavers for trying to second guess what leave voters where thinking.... now you quote a leave voter and I am to interpret that "she was fed up of being ruled by Belgium" as meaning something more than her believing that the UK is ruled by Belgium Now perhaps the word "by" was intended to be "from" but it is not for me to say.... The irony of course is that the UK had more power and influence in the EU legislative process than Belgium, it is Belgium that should feel aggrieved by being ruled by the UK!

She meant Brussels , the city in Belgium that has the the 'office' of the EU , 'bout all its famous for really well theres Hercule Poirot i suppose.....

The point is just the same though dont worry about it, ignore those bullying 'im a turkey and i voted for Christmas ' leavers....

 

[jendan]

She meant Brussels , the city in Belgium that has the the 'office' of the EU , 'bout all its famous for really well theres Hercule Poirot i suppose.....

The point is just the same though dont worry about it, ignore those bullying 'im a turkey and i voted for Christmas ' leavers....

........they have some world class footballers at the moment........