What will the no tillers do ?

[SilliamWhale]

I don't think it will go. In fact it definitely won't go but if it did I may do a few things.

Probably rent out to the spud, dairy and chicken men. Maybe put a bit of wheat between if I fancy but I'm sorely tempted to give high density holistic planned grazing a proper shot because I've done no till for 12 years and proved it to myself now. So maybe rape the land with spuds for a few years and then go into grazing. Alternatively I might do something else anyway as a bit of a change now I'm 40.

But it won't go anyway, its pure politiking. If the French are daft enough to ban it let the stupid buggers do it and leave us alone - there nothing wrong with the fecking stuff for goodness sake. All of the supposed issues with it (and almost all pesticides) are horribly overhyped

 

[Steevo]

If the French are daft enough to ban it let the stupid buggers do it and leave us alone - there nothing wrong with the fecking stuff for goodness sake. All of the supposed issues with it (and almost all pesticides) are horribly overhyped

If only.....

 

[SilliamWhale]

If only.....

Bet you it won't get banned. Fiver and a drum of roundup in 2025!

 

[Steevo]

Bet you it won't get banned. Fiver and a drum of roundup in 2025!

Haha, I meant if only the French banned it themselves and left the rest of us alone.

I doubt it will go, but if the French want it gone that badly let them suffer without it......and all other products made using it.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Haha, I meant if only the French banned it themselves and left the rest of us alone.

I doubt it will go, but if the French want it gone that badly let them suffer without it......and all other products made using it.

But the French probably don't want it gone. There will be single issue pressure groups pushing the agenda for ~"this is bad ban it" and then the politicians who want to remain populist will think "yes bad, lets ban it". In the meantime we're all scratching our heads wondering what happened to rational science based evidence!

 

[warksfarmer]

But the French probably don't want it gone. There will be single issue pressure groups pushing the agenda for ~"this is bad ban it" and then the politicians who want to remain populist will think "yes bad, lets ban it". In the meantime we're all scratching our heads wondering what happened to rational science based evidence!

I think hunk the writings on the wall for it. Gone within 2 years.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I think hunk the writings on the wall for it. Gone within 2 years.

Well the pressure is on it for sure - can someone answer me this, logically - why glyphosate? Why not MCPA or Metribuzin or CMPP for example?

 

[will l]

But the French probably don't want it gone. There will be single issue pressure groups pushing the agenda for ~"this is bad ban it" and then the politicians who want to remain populist will think "yes bad, lets ban it". In the meantime we're all scratching our heads wondering what happened to rational science based evidence!

The french have banned the selling of it to non professionals and public authorities, the most irresponsible user is actually SNCF the rail company, bet you a fiver it is still here after brexit,

 

[warksfarmer]

And where do those extra contractors come from ? unless they are prepared to work for nothing I'm sure I could run plough(s) (and I would need several if I didn't go back to silly HP heavy tractors) for less than contractor charge

frankly I would more like stop farming all together, as said earlier it doesn't stack up with that extra cost and no sub on land like ours

You've got a drill tractor and a rolling tractor or two drill tractors which ever way you look at it. Those tractors could also spray and fert if you went down that route. They also cart corn so effectively your sorted right now.

Any extra tractors brought in would solely be for ploughing so I doubt you'd beat a contractors charge of £20/acre.

My figure of £30-£40/acre was for ploughing and then a press pass which is what we'd need to do. Your soil would plough and drill though without the intermediate pass. I think you could do it with not to drastic extra cost. It's what organic farmers do anyway.

 

[Clive]

You've got a drill tractor and a rolling tractor or two drill tractors which ever way you look at it. Those tractors could also spray and fert if you went down that route. They also cart corn so effectively your sorted right now.

Any extra tractors brought in would solely be for ploughing so I doubt you'd beat a contractors charge of £20/acre.

My figure of £30-£40/acre was for ploughing and then a press pass which is what we'd need to do. Your soil would plough and drill though without the intermediate pass. I think you could do it with not to drastic extra cost. It's what organic farmers do anyway.

If I was ploughing I would go to combi drills

Would need x3 to get job done now each with a 5 furrow plough ahead of them

That takes our x2 tractor x2 man fixed costs to x6 tractors and drivers at peak times

Fixed cost suicide ! Better off not bothering

Glyphosate will be around ages yet though and by the time it's gone (10yrs plus) we won't need it as we will be farming with robots by then

 

[will l]

http://wall-ye.com/index.html
with labour more expensive here they are at it already

 

[Steevo]

Well the pressure is on it for sure - can someone answer me this, logically - why glyphosate? Why not MCPA or Metribuzin or CMPP for example?

GM

 

[DangerRanger]

If I was ploughing I would go to combi drills

Would need x3 to get job done now each with a 5 furrow plough ahead of them

That takes our x2 tractor x2 man fixed costs to x6 tractors and drivers at peak times

Fixed cost suicide ! Better off not bothering

Glyphosate will be around ages yet though and by the time it's gone (10yrs plus) we won't need it as we will be farming with robots by then

I though if I went back to ploughing I would either find or make an on land plough with 10+ furrows no wider than 10" furrows at 4-6" deep capable of very good inversion similar to ley bodies you see on old trailer ploughs you see at ploughing matches

I went away from ploughing when I realised that ploughing as fast as I can up to 10kmh with a 5 furrow plough at 18-20" furrow looked a good job as it was all brown and level but a that speed and width to was not burying properly and only getting moderate weed control

 

[SilliamWhale]

GM

That's not a logical reason for glyphosate ban

 

[Dockers]

Ploughing at that depth and width will never bury the couch grass !!!

If glyphosate is banned, " for that reason I'm OUT " said a Dragon.

 

[mikep]

If glyphosate is banned then within two years the hills and marginal land will be empty and most organic farmers bankrupt.
Large tracts of land would go unplanted or put down to grass without a market.
With the average age of farmers being relatively senior many would think f**k it and sit back and take the sub whilst it lasts.
I would not plough to provide food for a public that is hell bent on making life difficult for me so let them eat imported lower quality stuff and to hell with them.

 

[Renaultman]

I though if I went back to ploughing I would either find or make an on land plough with 10+ furrows no wider than 10" furrows at 4-6" deep capable of very good inversion similar to ley bodies you see on old trailer ploughs you see at ploughing matches

I went away from ploughing when I realised that ploughing as fast as I can up to 10kmh with a 5 furrow plough at 18-20" furrow looked a good job as it was all brown and level but a that speed and width to was not burying properly and only getting moderate weed control

I have said this before. It's time we reinvented the plough. I normally get shouted at when I do.

 

[Spud]

Bring it on. There will be opportunities aplenty if you quitters do what you say. We glyphosate stubbles pre sowing to control volunteer spuds, blackgrass and brome, but are getting on top of both with a tweaked farming system. Only pre harvest glypho is on winter beans, mostly to kill redshank and fathen in the poorer areas. A bit of patience and a run over the cleaner will sort that. A bit more stubble cultivating might be required, but with more area available from those who choose to give up, I'm sure we can justify some adjustments to the system.

 

[Steevo]

That's not a logical reason for glyphosate ban

The public and thus politicians don't do logic.

 

[Spud]

If glyphosate is banned then within two years the hills and marginal land will be empty and most organic farmers bankrupt.
Large tracts of land would go unplanted or put down to grass without a market.
With the average age of farmers being relatively senior many would think fudge it and sit back and take the sub whilst it lasts.
I would not plough to provide food for a public that is hell bent on making life difficult for me so let them eat imported lower quality stuff and to hell with them.

If I'm not mistaken, organic farmers don't use glyphosate. Why would they go bust if its banned. The hills are mostly grass, yes no sub would squeeze them, but not a glypho ban, imo