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What will the no tillers do ?

Discussion in 'Direct Drilling Crops & Agronomy' started by warksfarmer, Sep 10, 2017.

  1. Simon C

    Simon C Member

    Location:
    Essex Coast
    So assuming your maths is right, I think it is, the glyphosate is not coming out evenly with the water but has been held up somehow over winter and then released perhaps, when the soil starts to warm in the Spring.

    Anyway, glyphosate is in the water everywhere, therefore it is getting into the plants and ,must also be in all the food that we produce. The only argument that we can use is that it is in such minute quantities that it can't have any effect. The problem I have with this is that if people are consuming tiny amounts with everything they eat, there could be an accumulative effect, where the body can't process it and has to stack it up somewhere. Pregnant mothers do this by passing anything they can't deal with onto the foetus, which is why unborn babies are so vulnerable to any harmful substances. (Thalidomide).

    The other thing is the continuous drip, drip effect on the gut biology. We know that like any medically prescribed antibiotic, a good dose of glyphosate can decimate much of our digestive bacteria which will then later recover, but what if it is always present in our food, surly over a period of time our finely balanced gut biology is going to be modified in some way. This has serious implications with regard to our immune system and mental health.

    I am afraid going around shouting GLYPHOSATEISVITAL at anyone who will listen is not going to win the argument and stop them banning it. We have to address the serious issues and come up with a solution, hence my attempt at getting it broken down more quickly in the soil.
     
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  2. Jason

    Jason Member

    Location:
    South West
    Very interesting stuff....

    I see from your results that the detection levels for other ai's are very significantly lower.

    However I am concerned by the ramifications of this general ethos of 'glyphosate (or AMPA) is in the water therefore it's in the plant and so it's in the food and through a drip effect is damaging people's health'.

    Surely the logical conclusion of this is that ultimately we should be growing organically as the presence of any of these chemicals (much smaller amounts but still drip drip drip) is also potentially dangerous?

    Or is it the comparatively higher 'dose' re glyphosate that is the perceived issue here? If so I would suggest that any such dose consideration would be at odds with the hazard based regime employed by European regulators...

    In a nutshell glyphosate is either 'dangerous' and under the hazard based agenda should and will be banned irrespective. Or we are considering cumulative dose and so risk assessing its use in a different way? This is a very different calculation and does not fit the current protocol.

    Personally I'm as keen as the next chap to avoid chemicals entering my body unnecessarily and eat a considered diet. However I am also mindful of the air many many millions of people breathe and its atrocious chemical makeup. This is one of several 'elephants in the room' in my opinion re declining health in the western world. Minuscule detections of Ag-Chem (with thus far no proven health effects) in our food simply pales by comparison to this day in day out inhalation exposure to known killers.
     
  3. even if we ban glyphosate it is in the food that is imported if it can get from soil to seed which needs testing for just assuming because it is in the soil water it is in the plant is not good science

    if we ban it on the basis that it is present in the food we will need to ban food produced with it
     
  4. Adeptandy

    Adeptandy Member

    Location:
    PE15
    Surely the important piece of information here is the Water Companies CAN clean it out easily and are therefore not that concerned about it, pity its not the same for the contraception pill, but I guess that won't be getting banned any time soon. :whistle:
     
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  5. Richard III

    Richard III Member

    Location:
    CW5 Cheshire
    I've had a look around and found this :-

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...pesticide-residues-2015-crop-sector-wheat.pdf

    It would appear that in 2015, out of 70 wheat samples tested 41 had no measurable levels of glyphosate and 19 did, but were below the maximum MRL. Is this glyphosate coming from the soil or pre harvest? My guess is most, if not all, could be accounted for by the latter.

    Doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned about that glyphosate does in the soil, but we chuck an awful lot of other chemicals on too.
     
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  6. York

    York Member

    Location:
    D-Berlin
    SimonC,
    just do your own research on the "half life" of Glyphosate, meaning how long it takes to "berak down" 50% of it and so on.
    It will be around for quite a while this topic.
    I'm by no means happy when I hear that the water people can take it out. Question remains: are they taking it out every where & always?
    Next question: as the effect of Glyphosate as beeing one of the strongest chelators is know what does that mean to nature & wild life?
    This is only a excample, the Glyphosate. We will see many more to come.
    SimonC, I'm absolutly with you: our goals should be to find solutions for the challenges we have OUTSIDE of "chemical sprays".
    The plow & heavy tillage I'm not even going near as beeing "a part" of the solution.
    Looking forward to discuss this "alternatives" at Agritechnica. When & where will be announced on my web site.
    York-Th.

    p.s. @Jim Bullock : 3 teespoon of Vit C & 35mg of Zi will "make you jump" out of bed within 2 days. Method used in multiple cases & times. So far never been a failure.
     
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