What would attract you to a job?

[Headless chicken]

With a bit of expansion in progress and dad wanting to take a step back over the next 2 years I'm going to need to think about replacing him and have a bit of a rejig. What I want to know is what people look for in a job?
Does money really matter that much?
I remember Tony Evans from Anderson saying 24k a year is plenty for any employee it's quality of life that matters and I find myself tending to agree. Think he was basing that on a maximum50-55 hour week but preferably less.
Accomation I would guess would be a big factor?
Would people be happy having to travel in?

I've spent time off farm on 2 big units and I think I've learnt a lot. Mainly because I still travel 25 miles each way to the second of those where as the first is 4 miles away and I don't. But just wanted to see how other people felt or what they thought was right to offer.

@multi power just going to tag you in this incase you feel like you could be looking to take it a bit easier anytime soon

 

[multi power]

Quality of life yes
Good working conditions, I'm not so sure on, having worked on really good facilities and poo holes, for some real c*"ts and for some good guys, I think I would rather work with some body half decent and maybe put up with the odd gate tied with string
I wouldn't do the job I'm doing with out the nice house on site
I most certainly would not be doing it for 24k either, that said I would rather an extra week holiday than a pay rise this year

 

[Badshot]

£24k plus a tied house is ok. Just.
£24k and no accommodation is an insult.

 

[WillM]

A really interesting topic.

Firstly; people willing to work 70-80 hours a week are few and far between. There are also a lot of idiots about. Who (think they) make up for their idiocy through working long hours.
It completely depends on what the job is. If the new employee is going to come in and milk, feed calves, scrape etc with very limited decision making and stress then I would agree that 24k + house is very generous.
If he is to help with business decisions, night checks, vet lists, grazing management etc then his involvement has more of an impact on the profitability of the dairy. Meaning he should be paid more.
In truth everyone is different and you'll only know what to offer once you meet and appoint the individual. He maybe young and keen to learn and happy to work a lot of hours and use your dairy as a stepping stone to a herd managers job. He maybe a husband and family man looking for a house and steady money to support his family but want to be finished pre 6 O clock and require an afternoon off a week to pick his little one up from school.
Difficult one and no one has the answers. I think the key is flexibility.

 

[Kingofgrass]

Depends on responceableity,you get what you pay for and remember when you retire you have the asset or profit from the farm over the years they have to be paid enough to build up a pension etc.
If I was to work for somebody else I would want a fair wage if I wasn't involved in the business! Minimum of a grand a week! B4 tax,one day off a week.sounds expensive? But if the they could do everything,trim,Ai etc etc cheap

 

[Moo.girl]

20 - 25k min, nice accommodation at least near by and calves!!

 

[CJay]

Depends on responceableity,you get what you pay for and remember when you retire you have the asset or profit from the farm over the years they have to be paid enough to build up a pension etc.
If I was to work for somebody else I would want a fair wage if I wasn't involved in the business! Minimum of a grand a week! B4 tax,one day off a week.sounds expensive? But if the they could do everything,trim,Ai etc etc cheap

It would take a farm in good way of going to pay 52k a year to one member of staff over here unfortunately. Maybe I should consider moving [emoji44]

 

[Beef farmer]

Depends on responceableity,you get what you pay for and remember when you retire you have the asset or profit from the farm over the years they have to be paid enough to build up a pension etc.
If I was to work for somebody else I would want a fair wage if I wasn't involved in the business! Minimum of a grand a week! B4 tax,one day off a week.sounds expensive? But if the they could do everything,trim,Ai etc etc cheap

Your not worth a 1k a week with a CI of 380 days.

 

[Hotspur]

30k and a 3 bed house minimum.

 

[roscoe erf]

Can I be your dad

 

[multi power]

Depends on responceableity,you get what you pay for and remember when you retire you have the asset or profit from the farm over the years they have to be paid enough to build up a pension etc.
If I was to work for somebody else I would want a fair wage if I wasn't involved in the business! Minimum of a grand a week! B4 tax,one day off a week.sounds expensive? But if the they could do everything,trim,Ai etc etc cheap

Can I have a job please

 

[Headless chicken]

£24k plus a tied house is ok. Just.
£24k and no accommodation is an insult.

Agree it would be with accommodation with out any bills to go with it

 

[Headless chicken]

Depends on responceableity,you get what you pay for and remember when you retire you have the asset or profit from the farm over the years they have to be paid enough to build up a pension etc.
If I was to work for somebody else I would want a fair wage if I wasn't involved in the business! Minimum of a grand a week! B4 tax,one day off a week.sounds expensive? But if the they could do everything,trim,Ai etc etc cheap

Hmmmm I think I shall just milk less cows and do the work myself

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

give them a salary and annual hours, roster with days worked and days off well in advance, ask them if they can do this and that at work, you will get more out of them than telling them what to do, 24k will be enough and working 55 hours a week on average, tired workers are less productive, house included, over time then can be paid or given time in lieu

 

[self feeder]

24k & house ,maybe chuck in a few bonuses , live calf bonus -£7-9 ,AI bonus £3-600 pm or maybe just 28-30k flat rate .

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

24k & house ,maybe chuck in a few bonuses , live calf bonus -£7-9 ,AI bonus £3-600 pm or maybe just 28-30k flat rate .

for how many hours is that

 

[self feeder]

Not really any set hours 14 in busy times ,5 when cows are out ,6 days a week from Aug -March , 5 days when cows are out March - July .

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Not really any set hours 14 in busy times ,5 when cows are out ,6 days a week from Aug -March , 5 days when cows are out March - July .

so your total package works out at over 40k, and you not wanting set hours,

best of luck on that one

 

[self feeder]

Don't know where you've got 40k from , if busy calving can't really have set hours !

 

[More to life]

You'll be very lucky to get a like for like replacement I'd reevaluate everything you do.



Or just keep the old boy working