What would you do

Mydexta

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Location
Dundee/angus
looking for advice from others as to what they would do in my situation.


Local matches round here are run with classes for 10" and 12" ploughing, not vintage and classic like in other parts of the uk.

Scottish ploughing association rules dictate that classic class min width is 11", which is what I have my tcns set at

as it stands, a lot of people confuse the 10" class with a vintage class and the 12" class with the classic class where in fact they are 4 separate classes.

Previously, I have ploughed in the 12" class, but now there are more and more folk not happy with people (not just myself) being narrower than the stated width, however, there are as many people not happy with competitors in the 10" class with classic bodies as they see it as unfair because they consider the 10" class to be vintage, when it's not.

My plan for this season, is to ask the various associations as to what class they would Like me to enter after explaining my situation, and that way, they can decide and if there's any mumping and moaning, then the folk complaining can go and ask the people in charge about what's going on.


Is this the correct way to go about this or what would others do in this situation??????
 

Howard150

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Location
Yorkshire
looking for advice from others as to what they would do in my situation.


Local matches round here are run with classes for 10" and 12" ploughing, not vintage and classic like in other parts of the uk.

Scottish ploughing association rules dictate that classic class min width is 11", which is what I have my tcns set at

as it stands, a lot of people confuse the 10" class with a vintage class and the 12" class with the classic class where in fact they are 4 separate classes.

Previously, I have ploughed in the 12" class, but now there are more and more folk not happy with people (not just myself) being narrower than the stated width, however, there are as many people not happy with competitors in the 10" class with classic bodies as they see it as unfair because they consider the 10" class to be vintage, when it's not.

My plan for this season, is to ask the various associations as to what class they would Like me to enter after explaining my situation, and that way, they can decide and if there's any mumping and moaning, then the folk complaining can go and ask the people in charge about what's going on.


Is this the correct way to go about this or what would others do in this situation??????

From what I have seen over the last few years, then this saga seems set to run and run.
From an outsiders point of view then surely if the width dictates the class then the organisers need to accept whatever plough is brought to the party set to the correct width or instigate the extra classes to align themselves with the Scottish National association rules. Surely the Grail is the ascent of the pecking order to ultimately achieve a win at the National. In order to do this then local societies within the Scottish structure need to be set up accordingly. Chopping and changing the width to suit different societies makes things very difficult for a ploughman to achieve any consistency.
All a bit of a mish mash really with other people ploughing at 10" in the Classic Class. Surely the best way is to petition all the authorities concerned an get some kind of alignment. Let's not forget, the National Associaton has recently aligned itself wit the European and let anything at all in to qualify by production date.
Difficult situation in which it will never be possible to please everybody.
 
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Mydexta

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Location
Dundee/angus
From what I have seen over the last few years, then this saga seems set to run and run.
From an outsiders point of view then surely if the width dictates the class then the organisers need to accept whatever plough is brought to the party set to the correct width or instigate the extra classes to align themselves with the Scottish National association rules. Surely the Grail is the ascent of the pecking order to ultimately achieve a win at the National. In order to do this then local societies within the Scottish structure need to be set up accordingly. Chopping and changing the width to suit different societies makes things very difficult for a ploughman to achieve any consistency.
All a bit of a mish mash really with other people ploughing at 10" in the Classic Class. Surely the best way is to petition all the authorities concerned an get some kind of alignment. Let's not forget, the National Associaton has recently aligned itself wit the European and let anything at all in to qualify by production date.
Difficult situation in which it will never be possible to please everybody.


If the class is a 10" or a 12" class then that's it, nothing to do with vintage and classic

If I wanted, I could buy a brand new tractor and 2furrow conventional kv, as long as there's no hydraulics then it can go into either class as long as it fits the width under the present system apart from at the Scottish championships


Some committees have been approached about changing, but in their eyes, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
Most societies in England follow classification laid down by the national association. Many people like myself avoid local matches that persist in running under archaic rules or no rules because they only lead to controversy. I recently received an entry form whereby I had to sign to say that I abide by the rules but no rules were forthcoming. The previous year this society produced an elaborate booklet with Society of Ploughmen rules followed by its own rules which were in many areas contradictory rather than additional. This immediately indicates a committee in turmoil who do not know what they are doing. How are the judges and competitors meant to cope with all this inconsistency ?
However we view our national body and may question certain aspects of the rules it is the only way to operate for people who travel from region to region and plough in the national arena.
 

Ray996

Member
Location
North Scotland
If the class is a 10" or a 12" class then that's it, nothing to do with vintage and classic

If I wanted, I could buy a brand new tractor and 2furrow conventional kv, as long as there's no hydraulics then it can go into either class as long as it fits the width under the present system apart from at the Scottish championships


Some committees have been approached about changing, but in their eyes, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
I won 14 inch class up here in the north with a 12 inch plough!dodgy committee at work for sure!
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
I won 14 inch class up here in the north with a 12 inch plough!dodgy committee at work for sure!
Probably dodgy but more than likely ignorant. It is like the ones who state the rules for age related classes as "manufactered before..." rather than "having been in production before the end of...". Do the stewards/organisers have a file full of serial numbers for umpteen different models and makes? If you can`t enforce it, don`t make the rule.
 

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