Wheat after oats

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Have run carrier over all my spring oat stubbles - wheat will be going in next week weather permitting

this risk of zerotill into chopped oats straw is just to great IMO
 

Crabtree

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Oxfordshire
I'm assuming my Claydon drill will be the best bet for wheat after Oats (haven't grown them before this year) At least it just sweeps away the straw and keeps the seed in clean soil.
Also putting green waste compost on prior to drilling so hopefully nothing can go wrong !
 

juke

Member
Location
DURHAM
I'm assuming my Claydon drill will be the best bet for wheat after Oats (haven't grown them before this year) At least it just sweeps away the straw and keeps the seed in clean soil.
Also putting green waste compost on prior to drilling so hopefully nothing can go wrong !
Claydon is absolutely perfect for the job,
 
Have run carrier over all my spring oat stubbles - wheat will be going in next week weather permitting

this risk of zerotill into chopped oats straw is just to great IMO

What risk are you afraid of ?? Allelopathic ?

How deep have you run the carrier and for how long before drilling ?? Are you setting up a test plot without carrier to see if it`s worth it ??
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
What risk are you afraid of ?? Allelopathic ?

How deep have you run the carrier and for how long before drilling ?? Are you setting up a test plot without carrier to see if it`s worth it ??

2 simons effect at its worst after Oats

I have done my testing in previous year and don't need any more evidence - cultivate Oat stubbles IMO its not a situation where you can consistently and reliably zero till with a disc drill

carrier is working maybe 2" - not deep but enough to get some residue / soil mix to aid faster breakdown, as along as possible between cultivation and drill .......... all winter idealy but this year it wont be long as late harvested spring oats are followed by wheat
 
What about mixing some prilled lime with the seed ??
And rather use the tine drill than the disc drill to sweep some straw out of the row ??

Would it be better to have the straw raw chopped, so maybe remove the rigid knifes from the chopper or might it be better to have it as fine grinded as possible, so maybe leave longer stubbles and go over with a proper flail mower ??

I don`t want to put you off your carrier - fine if it works. But I want to understand what`s going on and being the problem to find my own solutions for different situations.
 

mnask

New Member
Interesting thread. Steve and I have seen this at various locations this year, we are coming to the conclusion that we are significantly under-estimating the N (and possibly P too) immobilisation from lignin dense cover crops and chopped straw after several years of no-till. I wouldn't be so quick to blame the variety.
 

juke

Member
Location
DURHAM
I'm assuming my Claydon drill will be the best bet for wheat after Oats (haven't grown them before this year) At least it just sweeps away the straw and keeps the seed in clean soil.
Also putting green waste compost on prior to drilling so hopefully nothing can go wrong !

I should of added we do use the leading discs on the claydon when drilling in chopped straw, the a share does a great job of mixing the top tilth and moving any stubble n straw out the way .
 

Farmer Roy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
err, I love oat straw, great residue in a zero till situation

zero till DOES NOT WORK without retaining groundcover & limiting compaction / traffic

once again, I will say im not familiar with your situation, just talking from 30 yrs zero till experience
 

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