The workings out are all correct and fine, but @Properjob is answering the wrong question, so I’m afraid it’s a fail
Wheat Input costs per T 2019
- Thread starter Clive
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Maybe because it is something that is (or at least should be) easily comparable with some degree of accuracy, without disclosing too much about your business on a public forum.
Sorry, I fail to see how I am answering the wrong question, this entire thread is about comparing variable costs/t. What is the point if it is not possible to determine which is better? I am talking purely about VC’s
It’s just a simple question. It gives a rough guide. If you are way up the cost scale and only getting 3t/a you should be asking some questions about your agronomy and inputs. And remember you don’t have to answer the question.
matttargett4
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im not really seeing the issue, clive asked for something, if you dont think it important ignore it.
£28-50 here
what it has made me think about is yield potential, 28 came from a cheap program on good ground which yielded well, 50 came from a full program of expensive products on average ground which gave its best yield ever, if it hadnt it would have been worse.
with prices as they are after storage and drying wheat isnt a lot over 100 quid, if you pay a rent of 200/ha and 125/ha harvesting and try to make a profit with a £50/t vc spend your establishment system needd to be very cheap or you arent earning much.
the thing i would like to know more about is npk source and cost per unit from those posting good results, as the largest vc spend its the best place to look for savings if the rest isnt too agrii
£28-50 here
what it has made me think about is yield potential, 28 came from a cheap program on good ground which yielded well, 50 came from a full program of expensive products on average ground which gave its best yield ever, if it hadnt it would have been worse.
with prices as they are after storage and drying wheat isnt a lot over 100 quid, if you pay a rent of 200/ha and 125/ha harvesting and try to make a profit with a £50/t vc spend your establishment system needd to be very cheap or you arent earning much.
the thing i would like to know more about is npk source and cost per unit from those posting good results, as the largest vc spend its the best place to look for savings if the rest isnt too agrii
Our N is mostly liquid, bought in or home brew (UAS), P and K we tend to use product like Kalphos and Fibrophos and spread ourselves or Compost / FYM' either free or on straw fro muck deals
Not bought MOP / TSP type product for maybe 15 years now
Depends on your output
Oh, yes, I haven't started on that yet! Perhaps another thread based on what else separates the best from the worst, but I can see why Clive wants to keep this to variable costs.
What is output?
Yield
Price - marketing & price risk management
Timing of harvesting, inputs & sales
Attention to detail - comes into timing too
Straw sold or not - will impact variable costs for P and K replacement.
Organic matter?
- Location
- Lincolnshire.
Oh behave. You know full well it is impossible to price organic matter. Here chopping straw this year would have slowed the combine substantially, we were using 95% of available hp leaving trails of straw. How would you price a delayed harvest?
Double behave Brisel. You are not allowed to debate this matter......... anyway perhaps this new variable costs/t idea is a good thing, may lead to better prices for some of us.
lloyd
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- Location
- Herefordshire
We better tow the line now or Clive might behave like Boris
and have us thrown off the forum.
So to play along Gleam£45,Crispin£49,Zyatt£51 per t VC as requested.
Fertiliser spend higher due to correction in phosphate ,potash levels .
Might have got away with less fungicide spend on the Crispin but I
think it's down to weather risk/reward.
Looking forward to fixed costs results.
and have us thrown off the forum.
So to play along Gleam£45,Crispin£49,Zyatt£51 per t VC as requested.
Fertiliser spend higher due to correction in phosphate ,potash levels .
Might have got away with less fungicide spend on the Crispin but I
think it's down to weather risk/reward.
Looking forward to fixed costs results.
- Location
- North Kent, UK
Keeping to topic but acknowledging points made regarding its relevance.
Skyfall - £52/t -full-spec for Warburtons
Montana - £66/t - full-spec for ADM e wheat
Firefly - £39/t - met spec for seed contract
All will have a healthy premium attached but I believe the Firefly will show the best margin.
Skyfall - £52/t -full-spec for Warburtons
Montana - £66/t - full-spec for ADM e wheat
Firefly - £39/t - met spec for seed contract
All will have a healthy premium attached but I believe the Firefly will show the best margin.
- Location
- Bedfordshire
I'll throw in another one.
I haven't had time to work mine out yet. ie I haven't finished GM accounts. Been spending time on things more profitable or enjoyable than arable farming. A bit like Clive in the Bridgeway thread.
And yes my fixed costs are too high.
Edit: As my wife would say - if I didn't spend so much time on that blessed forum perhaps I would have had time.
Edit 2; Perhaps like Clive on the Bridgeway question, I wont like the answer.
I haven't had time to work mine out yet. ie I haven't finished GM accounts. Been spending time on things more profitable or enjoyable than arable farming. A bit like Clive in the Bridgeway thread.
And yes my fixed costs are too high.
Edit: As my wife would say - if I didn't spend so much time on that blessed forum perhaps I would have had time.
Edit 2; Perhaps like Clive on the Bridgeway question, I wont like the answer.
- Location
- S. Staffs
@moretimeforgolf how did your Montana yield? Have heard very variable results this year, wondering if has hit it physiological peak?
- Location
- North Kent, UK
Montana yield was c.8.1t/ha which is about a ton down on last year. It looked well in the spring but just went off early. In hindsight, I could have used less N as we hit over 15% protein. It was on lighter ground which I have only just started farming - low organic matter after years of abuse growing veg. Not growing Montana this year as ADM were dragging their heels with contracts.
4course
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- Location
- north yorks
Vc/ t this year less than last or the year before doesnt tell me much other than we had more tons this year. Nothing to do with vc more to do with weather or as im telling all ,my farming skills. Plus most fc are variable and its extremely difficult to seperate non farm commodity fc or some vc costs from diversification costs, cos without the farm couldnt do the other things. As an example we need a telehandler for other than cropping and a tractor etc but probably dont need as costly a one for some jobs possibly, dont need a truck for the farm etc etc and as for labour its a minefield trying to seperate the costs so I tend to work on output /acre over the whole lot and as long as its growing over time and above total costs as tina said "I will survive "