wheat price and your predictions for what it will hit

delilah

Member
What will uk grown feed wheat hit?

l must admit, feeling smug, we put 30 acres of wheat and barley in, winter conc prices for us, will be pretty well paid up front !

This.
Folks constantly moan that petrol is too expensive, yet they keep filling the tank. Petrol is only too expensive once folks are compelled to change their habits.
We have ewe and pig nuts coming today. Costing us around £12/bag. Too expensive ? Clearly not, as we haven't yet changed our habits. Until feed wheat hits a price that makes us change our systems - grow our own, do a deal with a neighbour, set up a cooperative - it has a way to go.
 

HatsOff

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Mixed Farmer
The UK doesnt have a gas shortage - the problem is commodities are based on world prices.

Fertiliser in the UK could be solved by reserving gas for that purpose, same in other western countries.

However, the UK government has gone out of its way to reduce both capacity of production and storage - is it because Westminster is stupid or clever - clever in a bad sense.

Boris is toast no matter he does. Hopefully Climate Policy goes with him.
Surely we'd be better off with lots of renewables, batteries and heat pumps, freeing petrochemicals for fertiliser and medicines? Same solution for food security as it is for climate policy.

Seems wasteful to dig up fossil fuels just to set fire to them
 
This.
Folks constantly moan that petrol is too expensive, yet they keep filling the tank. Petrol is only too expensive once folks are compelled to change their habits.
We have ewe and pig nuts coming today. Costing us around £12/bag. Too expensive ? Clearly not, as we haven't yet changed our habits. Until feed wheat hits a price that makes us change our systems - grow our own, do a deal with a neighbour, set up a cooperative - it has a way to go.


I don't agree with the narrative about fossil fuels. Neither is there a shortage of Gas in the UK nor in the rest of the world - National Grid refuses to import too much gas. UK production up 15%. No shortage worldwide of fossil fuels either, they are controlled to make prices high.

People have invested £10,000s in vehicles, they cannot ignore that investment and the reality is that even if we could all afford to buy an electric vehicle the grid would not cope and would use fossil fuels anyway.

Government policy is degenerate.

Energy policy is degenerate. Banning investment in UK fossil fuels whilst investing in Russian fossil fuels - which led to Russia re-arming and now a war. Aweful policy and massively blinkered.

The same exists in almost every avenue - foreign imports, mass immigration, waste & recycling, transport.


One thing is true.

We cannot rely on Government for anything. They are useless.
 
Surely we'd be better off with lots of renewables, batteries and heat pumps, freeing petrochemicals for fertiliser and medicines? Same solution for food security as it is for climate policy.

Seems wasteful to dig up fossil fuels just to set fire to them


Fertiliser has to compete with people heating their homes, cars, holidays and recreation. Until fertiliser prices rise enough and farmers get enough money to buy it - to stop people buying cars, heating homes, going on holiday and mucking about. The situation will continue.

I know there is a long way to go before I have enough money to out buy 1,000s of people who I supply with food who can afford to buy £50,000 cars.
 

Flatlander

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lorette Manitoba
Fertilser at £750 a tonne ? Do you think Market Traders will treat us kindly at the end of this, we will be left with the very expensive "Baby" in a crop yet to harvest having spent the money.

IMHO we are being setup.
Where as the war in the Ukrainian has inflated prices I think it’s going to crash it too. Once the conflict ends the powers in charge will want to unload their spoils onto the world market. Can’t see the likes of Europe taking grain from the ruskies but india and North African countries will. Previous contracts before the war will still need to be honoured. What condition the stored grain is in is another matter but assuming it’s in decent shape and another crop on its way,albeit probably smaller it going to weigh on world prices. The docks and mines in the Black Sea are another issue. Maybe Putin will make the anti government protesters go sailing and clear a path. 💥
 
Where as the war in the Ukrainian has inflated prices I think it’s going to crash it too. Once the conflict ends the powers in charge will want to unload their spoils onto the world market. Can’t see the likes of Europe taking grain from the ruskies but india and North African countries will. Previous contracts before the war will still need to be honoured. What condition the stored grain is in is another matter but assuming it’s in decent shape and another crop on its way,albeit probably smaller it going to weigh on world prices. The docks and mines in the Black Sea are another issue. Maybe Putin will make the anti government protesters go sailing and clear a path. 💥


Certainly what the Grain traders & HMG will be pushing.

Blown bridges, train tracks, roads, lorries, warehouses, ports ? Don't see it working well myself. But saying the opposite works for the chosen few.
 

Flatlander

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lorette Manitoba
Certainly what the Grain traders & HMG will be pushing.

Blown bridges, train tracks, roads, lorries, warehouses, ports ? Don't see it working well myself. But saying the opposite works for the chosen few.
I hope you are right. very few here have more than 50% in the ground yet as it’s been so wet. Yields will be way down and more rain for the weekend. With inputs where they are the cut off for trying to get a crop is outweighed by the risk of loosing.
 

Chae1

Member
Location
Aberdeenshire
Only in the short term.

Fertiliser prices are bad in the UK, however in the 3rd world they are unaffordable.

Next years harvest is going to be significantly down no matter what happens, money is being spent now if it exists on reserving and delivering next years fertiliser. That fertiliser takes so many months to make and be delivered - which requires money to be spent on gas and mining equipment.

The game almost up for next year with no Western government stepping up to the plate.

If next years crops are poor in combination with low fertiliser usage, then it could lead to a very significant human disaster.
If prices are low combined with fert purchased now at over £600/t could be a financial disaster.
 

Flatlander

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lorette Manitoba
Could be worse. You could be paying up to $12 for a single iceberg lettuce like here. Went into the local supermarket before and they were $11 ffs.
I called local caseih dealer for a fuel lift pump on Friday. Cummins 8.3. Apparently I was the second one that day looking for one,on back order and don’t expect to see it any time soon was the answer, called a dealer in the states and the woman said same thing. Must be thousands of these engines in various machines. Talking with a Trimble rep that I’m setting up a drainage system with and he can’t get any new gps equipment for at least five months and he said expect the price to double. Everyone is jumping on the bandwagon and charging what they want.
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
Food price inflation. And folk changing habits. Interesting world. In South Lincolnshire in past couple of weeks several fields of lovely Cauliflower chopped up. And same with Carrots and Parsnips. Potatoes now being as good as dumped. Freebuy is around £90 tonne. In Supermarket being retailed £450 - 500 tonne. So there is plenty of good reasonably priced food available if the public would like to buy it and cook it. Bit every time I drive past the Grantham McDonalds it is busy (or very busy). And Domino Pizza opposite is open and busy. But none of us wants to change our way of life. Hey ho
 

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