Wheat variety choices next year?

[David.]

Best wheat we cut was Siskin, 2nd wheat drilled at 210kg/ha on 6th Nov.
Slow to get going but raced away in spring and did not fill out much. Didn't want to like it but cannot argue with yield and bushel weight.
Have kept seed to drill 12ha of thin land, as 1st wheat after oats.

 

[fudge]

Crusoe, Siskin and Gravity here. IMO our beans are still too wet to cut. If this continues for another 10 days I will be adding skyfall to the list as a second wheat

 

[FarmerBruce]

Thanks for the heads up.
What was the nature of the lodging?
I.e. Was it root lodging, 'eye spot', or just leggy with thin straw and snapped over at the base?
Finally, did it tiller well, or was it a 'bit thin' going into stem extension?

It was leggy weak straw. Looked fantastic till the day it went flat. Tillered quite well to be fair. Was like it had been steam rolled by harvest

 

[Brisel]

Beware of drilling Siskin this early. Mine isn't going in until early October. This year's only stayed up because of the drought stopping it taking in the last N dose with a chlormequat only PGR programme. Protein 12.6% yield 10.5 t/ha on a fairly low input programme. Hagberg 150 - 200 so will just scrape into Rank Hovis on a Gp 2 contract.

 

[franklin]

Siskin drilled 1st week October after green manure has enough of of lean on it after 250kg N and full PGR for me to not want to grow again. Decent yield though although low protein vs Lili. Doesnt tiller. Threshes easy. Would have been flat at 300kg N though.

 

[fudge]

Siskin is weak strawed but I'm an October driller and it yielded well here. Definitely room for some better standers on the list IMO tho.

 

[4course]

siskin did very well here, twas leaning towards the end but was ready to harvest 2 weeks before we could get to it re the weather,we are keeping our acerage the same but the aim is to sow it end of next week not before, reckon it needs early Nand growth reg to encourage an extra tiller or 2 but any variety that does circa 4t plus here is worth another chance though we havnt qualified for any premium. The ones we are uping are revelation and barrel gone is diego and evolution is reduced

 

[fudge]

Given the cost of N I will fertilize Siskin as a feed wheat. Ours produced 12% protein but lodged in places. Given the likely premium I think I over did it this year.

 

[Brisel]

Given the cost of N I will fertilize Siskin as a feed wheat. Ours produced 12% protein but lodged in places. Given the likely premium I think I over did it this year.

Do you think that some of that N was taken up later than usual due to the drought which would explain the higher protein?

 

[fudge]

Do you think that some of that N was taken up later than usual due to the drought which would explain the higher protein?

What's usual? TBH our wheat didn't look droughty. The Siskin was very clean and the standing areas yielded very well. Generally our wheats didn't finish that well, which perhaps means protein wasn't diluted? We had rain at about GS 37/39 which correspondents to peak N demand anyway. Our judgement (I include my agronomist) was not to use Terpal because of the drought. He is still on a learning curve IMO.

 

[Brisel]

That's sound reasoning. Terpal on stressed crops is very harsh so it is a very hard decision to make in years like this. If it hadn't rained for another 3 weeks you'd have been glad you hadn't kicked it even harder by applying Terpal.

Hindsight is always 20:20. Don't be too hard on your agronomist!

 

[fudge]

Nonsense he benefits from my constructive criticism.

 

[B'o'B]

Some trials results I was looking at the other day seemed to show that more varieties in PGR treated plots had higher lodging than those which didn’t have a PGR program this year.
There were some big exceptions to that trend on known weak strawed varieties which suggests they didn’t just get the heading on the results mixed up.

 

[Try to succeed]

I’ll be growing Dickens, Siskin and gravity this year. Siskin mainly as a second wheat. Wondered what seed rate people are looking at for first week of October due to its lack of tillering vs say dickens?

 

[Wombat]

Well skyfall dressed, just waiting for sundance to be delivered

 

[Somerset Farmer]

This year my contractor cut my Graham and by the next day had ordered this variety for his own first wheats on land that he contract farms. Here in West Somerset it appears to do very well with neighbours yielding 4.5 tpa mine approx 4.4 tpa with s/w of 76 Last year his yielded 4.9 tpa ( sold wt).Will grow again as a second wheat and see how things go. It did get a slight lean on in the august storms but nowhere near flat. Thrashes well with good yield of straw. Both my neighbour and I are seed growers
Wonderfull stuff

 

[4course]

no offence to those called graham but just cant bring myself to order graham, revelation hope it it is, barrel roll on,montana like the concept of wide open spaces , siskin reminds me of my big sister, tower its above us etc etc funny how names effect the thought process and am really struggling to order something that sounds like a chavs childs name even though its a top yielder kerrin

 

[ratchet spanner]

What are people's opinions on Graham

I forgot I had said I would report yield after harvest. Graham yielded 3.9t acre (would like to say over 4t .but it wasnt).Considering wet harvest and NVZ restrictions on amount of Nitrogen we can use it did well.

 

[Brisel]

Graham was the top yielder here and cheaper to grow. Good septoria score meant less fungicide plus it was the only hard wheat to make milling grade worth another £4/t despite being cut in September. The Hagbergs in the Siskin and Diego weren’t high enough. Proteins on all were very good.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Graham was the top yielder here and cheaper to grow. Good septoria score meant less fungicide plus it was the only hard wheat to make milling grade worth another £4/t despite being cut in September. The Hagbergs in the Siskin and Diego weren’t high enough. Proteins on all were very good.

In what way do you reduce fungicide if a higher score?