wheel seting problem

spindle

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:scratchhead:dose any body here know what the trick is for setting a Ford 3000 front axel so that the front wheel side walls run in line with the rear at 52" centres for the rear wheels and ploughing on 11" furows, the problem that I have is that the front axel main beam fouls the wheel when turned and looks like i will have to cut the ends of the axels to obtain the desired 40" inner side wall measurement i am after
 
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Tonym

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Shropshire
Friend with a Dexta which is similar I would think uses a Ferguson 20 wheel and narrow tyre on the front right wheel. What track setting that gives I do not know but worth a try.
 

Howard150

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Yorkshire
:scratchhead:dose any body here know what the trick is for setting a Ford 3000 front axel so that the front wheel side walls run in line with the rear at 52" centres for the rear wheels and ploughing on 11" furows, the problem that I have is that the front axel main beam fouls the wheel when turned and looks like i will have to cut the ends of the axels to obtain the desired 40" inner side wall measurement i am after

For the 780 with a TS86 ploughing at 10 1/2 I used to use 52 on the furrow side and 60 on the land side which gives you 56 overall and about 41 to 42 between the rear tyres. You can always get 2 inch narrower on the land side wheel by moving the outer to the other side of the dish which will give you 54. Go with what suits you best. Don’t forget that wheel settings are nominal and 56 according to the handbook might not actually be 56 on the job
Offset is irrelevant really until you come to the fancy bits near the finish where it comes into its own for slipping a single off. Totally irrelevant for trailer ploughing.
The track width needs to be proportional to the width you are ploughing to paddle the ground evenly and ensure that you tread on the maximum amount of trash which makes skimming and burying the trash much easier.
Just in passing - next time you are at a match just look round at the number of front axles which have had the ends of the centre beam trimmed in order to get the desired setting.
Don’t forget that we all started on standard and equal wheel settings. It’s just that one or two of us see minute benefits and go for it accordingly. If you do go for offset centres don’t forget that you will need to turn one of the rear tyres on the rim to get the tread direction right. I once redrilled the front axle tube on a 995 to give me an extra inch in the settings.
 
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spindle

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For the 780 with a TS86 ploughing at 10 1/2 I used to use 52 on the furrow side and 60 on the land side which gives you 56 overall and about 41 to 42 between the rear tyres. You can always get 2 inch narrower on the land side wheel by moving the outer to the other side of the dish which will give you 54. Go with what suits you best. Don’t forget that wheel settings are nominal and 56 according to the handbook might not actually be 56 on the job
Offset is irrelevant really until you come to the fancy bits near the finish where it comes into its own for slipping a single off. Totally irrelevant for trailer ploughing.
The track width needs to be proportional to the width you are ploughing to paddle the ground evenly and ensure that you tread on the maximum amount of trash which makes skimming and burying the trash much easier.
Just in passing - next time you are at a match just look round at the number of front axles which have had the ends of the centre beam trimmed in order to get the desired setting.
Don’t forget that we all started on standard and equal wheel settings. It’s just that one or two of us see minute benefits and go for it accordingly. If you do go for offset centres don’t forget that you will need to turn one of the rear tyres on the rim to get the tread direction right. I once redrilled the front axle tube on a 995 to give me an extra inch in the settings.
it can be done yes, but how do you do the finish, if set at 52 how do you do it, as you will 40" between the wheels and 11" furrows
Was working on the basis of straddling 33" but not sure how it would work
 

spindle

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For the 780 with a TS86 ploughing at 10 1/2 I used to use 52 on the furrow side and 60 on the land side which gives you 56 overall and about 41 to 42 between the rear tyres. You can always get 2 inch narrower on the land side wheel by moving the outer to the other side of the dish which will give you 54. Go with what suits you best. Don’t forget that wheel settings are nominal and 56 according to the handbook might not actually be 56 on the job
Offset is irrelevant really until you come to the fancy bits near the finish where it comes into its own for slipping a single off. Totally irrelevant for trailer ploughing.
The track width needs to be proportional to the width you are ploughing to paddle the ground evenly and ensure that you tread on the maximum amount of trash which makes skimming and burying the trash much easier.
Just in passing - next time you are at a match just look round at the number of front axles which have had the ends of the centre beam trimmed in order to get the desired setting.
Don’t forget that we all started on standard and equal wheel settings. It’s just that one or two of us see minute benefits and go for it accordingly. If you do go for offset centres don’t forget that you will need to turn one of the rear tyres on the rim to get the tread direction right. I once redrilled the front axle tube on a 995 to give me an extra inch in the settings.
Must admit Howard I would not have know about trimming the Axel's and stub Axel's until I was told at a practice day, I will keep an eye out at the matches for trimmed axels, this is the problem I have to work out
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Howard150

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Yorkshire
Must admit Howard I would not have know about trimming the Axel's and stub Axel's until I was told at a practice day, I will keep an eye out at the matches for trimmed axels, this is the problem I have to work outView attachment 686338

That vertical hole is only there for when the wheels are out at full extent. They coincide radially with the drag link. The original logic with that axle configuration was that if you moved the wheels out then there should be no need to alter the steering drag links.
Up to you what you do with it Kevin. All down to whether or not you will ever want to put the wheels out to full extent. If not then there is nothing to stop you cutting it off.
Used to drill corn with a semi mounted MF424 drill. It was just handy to put the front wheels out accordingly to run with the front wheel down the mark left by the drill wheel. Need to cut your cloth according to whether or not you are a purist or a ploughman!
 

spindle

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Hertford
That vertical hole is only there for when the wheels are out at full extent. They coincide radially with the drag link. The original logic with that axle configuration was that if you moved the wheels out then there should be no need to alter the steering drag links.
Up to you what you do with it Kevin. All down to whether or not you will ever want to put the wheels out to full extent. If not then there is nothing to stop you cutting it off.
Used to drill corn with a semi mounted MF424 drill. It was just handy to put the front wheels out accordingly to run with the front wheel down the mark left by the drill wheel. Need to cut your cloth according to whether or not you are a purist or a ploughman!
You have made my mind up the tractor was only done up as a part restoration but was allways going to be only used for ploughing so like you said they are coming off (y)
 

Tonym

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Location
Shropshire
It's worth looking at Tony has he cut the axel ?
No axle not cut but I don't know how much inset he gained. I have a Fiat 450 4wd thar you cannot alter the track narrower without cutting the wheel centres out and re-welding them and then the track rod is in the way.
I have ploughed with it once and it was not a problem
 
For the 780 with a TS86 ploughing at 10 1/2 I used to use 52 on the furrow side and 60 on the land side which gives you 56 overall and about 41 to 42 between the rear tyres. You can always get 2 inch narrower on the land side wheel by moving the outer to the other side of the dish which will give you 54. Go with what suits you best. Don’t forget that wheel settings are nominal and 56 according to the handbook might not actually be 56 on the job
Offset is irrelevant really until you come to the fancy bits near the finish where it comes into its own for slipping a single off. Totally irrelevant for trailer ploughing.
The track width needs to be proportional to the width you are ploughing to paddle the ground evenly and ensure that you tread on the maximum amount of trash which makes skimming and burying the trash much easier.
Just in passing - next time you are at a match just look round at the number of front axles which have had the ends of the centre beam trimmed in order to get the desired setting.
Don’t forget that we all started on standard and equal wheel settings. It’s just that one or two of us see minute benefits and go for it accordingly. If you do go for offset centres don’t forget that you will need to turn one of the rear tyres on the rim to get the tread direction right. I once redrilled the front axle tube on a 995 to give me an extra inch in the settings.
i think thas recouperating
For the 780 with a TS86 ploughing at 10 1/2 I used to use 52 on the furrow side and 60 on the land side which gives you 56 overall and about 41 to 42 between the rear tyres. You can always get 2 inch narrower on the land side wheel by moving the outer to the other side of the dish which will give you 54. Go with what suits you best. Don’t forget that wheel settings are nominal and 56 according to the handbook might not actually be 56 on the job
Offset is irrelevant really until you come to the fancy bits near the finish where it comes into its own for slipping a single off. Totally irrelevant for trailer ploughing.
The track width needs to be proportional to the width you are ploughing to paddle the ground evenly and ensure that you tread on the maximum amount of trash which makes skimming and burying the trash much easier.
Just in passing - next time you are at a match just look round at the number of front axles which have had the ends of the centre beam trimmed in order to get the desired setting.
Don’t forget that we all started on standard and equal wheel settings. It’s just that one or two of us see minute benefits and go for it accordingly. If you do go for offset centres don’t forget that you will need to turn one of the rear tyres on the rim to get the tread direction right. I once redrilled the front axle tube on a 995 to give me an extra inch in the settings.
I think thas recuperating just fine........yer posts are gettin longer
 

colhonk

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Arable Farmer
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Darlington
My 3000 has the front axle in its normal narrowest position, I have the rear wheels at 56 inch centre`s, 42 inch between the tyres which are Goodyear power torque`s with 30% tread and run at 5psi,and are 13,6`s on 12 inch rims, plough set at 11 inch,works absolutely fine. People are far too hung up about wheel setting widths.
 

spindle

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Hertford
My 3000 has the front axle in its normal narrowest position, I have the rear wheels at 56 inch centre`s, 42 inch between the tyres which are Goodyear power torque`s with 30% tread and run at 5psi,and are 13,6`s on 12 inch rims, plough set at 11 inch,works absolutely fine. People are far too hung up about wheel setting widths.
What plough are you using ?
 

Howard150

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Location
Yorkshire
I have TS90 that's been worked on and allways seem to struggle on having enough cross shaft movement to narrow off hopefully I am going down the right road if not it will go back to how it was :scratchhead:

Only a small point but make sure the splay is machined on the landward side of the leg (small semicircular machining toward the front of the leg running out to nothing toward the back of the leg) if not this can make up to 2” difference as to where the plough sits on the cross shaft and consequently where the track width needs to be set.
Main beam for front axle easy to get now if you ever need to go further out.
 

spindle

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Hertford
Only a small point but make sure the splay is machined on the landward side of the leg (small semicircular machining toward the front of the leg running out to nothing toward the back of the leg) if not this can make up to 2” difference as to where the plough sits on the cross shaft and consequently where the track width needs to be set.
Main beam for front axle easy to get now if you ever need to go further out.
Only a small point but make sure the splay is machined on the landward side of the leg (small semicircular machining toward the front of the leg running out to nothing toward the back of the leg) if not this can make up to 2” difference as to where the plough sits on the cross shaft and consequently where the track width needs to be set.
Main beam for front axle easy to get now if you ever need to go further out.
That did cross my mind that I might have to get another axel if it all turned pair shaped :whistle::poop:
 

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