When’s a deal done?

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Take a look at tractor prices here in NZ......shipped from Europe with an average cost of about $11,000 for a forty foot container...which can take two 120hp plus tractors and like for like still cheaper than the UK....The fact is, the exchange rate has a minimal effect in reality...its what the market will stand!
How come new equipment is or was until recently sold retail by dealers for third parties to export to NZ? How does that work after shipping and several bites of the cherry if you can get it through official dealers cheaper?
 

Giles1

Member
Location
Central Scotland
Never backed down on a deal or tried to get more off after the hand shake despite losing out financially from better offers. Been shafted the other way a few times,a bull, (cheque returned),machinery,the usual. Had an insurance company try and get me to back out of a deal with one of their competitors,offering a considerably better deal.If they had done that in the first place they would have had the deal. They quoted consumer rights and cool down periods etc,still wasn't right. My theory is once people know you're honest and wont be messed about ,you will get offered a good deal to start with.Naive I think! Once arranged to see a tractor about 2 hours away in an evening,when we were in range said we were nearly there,told someone is looking,wait a bit till they've gone,got some grub,phoned for clearance to see it,was told I'm away to the pub now come back again.We didn't.
 
Agreed, had exact same scenario when I went to view a car about an hour away, even though he promised not too sell or let anyone else try the car till I had seen it, when I got there someone else was busily looking over said vehicle. He ushered me into the workshop and gave me the cars paperwork to look over.
Of course he sold the car probably using me as a lever to pressurize the other guy. Obviously I lost it a bit when told the car was sold, needless to say he wasn't too happy when all the service records and invoices disappeared over the fence in the wind or that any word of mouth warranty the customer had just received from the salesman wouldn't stand up for an hour.

Wish now I too had taken the time to make a piece and eaten it in his gateway.

Won't ever be back.
aye, but you could have looked the car over, decided it wasn't for you, and walked away.
years ago i had someone " interested " in a spud planter. would you mind hooking it to a tractor, and lift it up so i can turn the land wheel to see if it moves ? unhitched another implement, hitched on the planter, lifted it up, turned the landwheel, worked faultlessly.
would you mind connecting hydraulic pipes to check agitators are working ?
nae bother, connected pipes, worked faultlessly.
would you mind tipping a tray of spuds in to check doors that regulate spuds coming out of hopper work ok ?
connected electrics up, tipped spuds in, worked faultlessly.

after all this pish, bloke looks at me, says thanks, i'll think about it, and buggers off, never to be seen again.

only asking £350 for the fecking thing in the first place.

there's some real timewasters about.
 
How come new equipment is or was until recently sold retail by dealers for third parties to export to NZ? How does that work after shipping and several bites of the cherry if you can get it through official dealers cheaper?
I will guarantee you that never happens with tractors...machinery is a different thing.. particularly in the case of high ticket items like McHale Fusions... usually 3 or 4 come in each year by the "grey" route. It usually because the official importer keeps the selling price high, as they are only given a allocation by the factory....as our seasons are opposite...any machines that are still available at dealer level at the end of the season in the UK or Europe invariably end up in a container. A case of a high market price here, meaning the extra shipping costs make it worth doing.
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
I will guarantee you that never happens with tractors...machinery is a different thing.. particularly in the case of high ticket items like McHale Fusions... usually 3 or 4 come in each year by the "grey" route. It usually because the official importer keeps the selling price high, as they are only given a allocation by the factory....as our seasons are opposite...any machines that are still available at dealer level at the end of the season in the UK or Europe invariably end up in a container. A case of a high market price here, meaning the extra shipping costs make it worth doing.
Just goes to show people just how complex the machinery trade is. 👍
 
Just goes to show people just how complex the machinery trade is. 👍
Indeed..certainly not as simple as people think... they you add in one offs....about four years ago I was involved in bringing nearly 400 new European-built tractors into Australia, that had sat in a distributors yard in the US for between four and five years... the paint was faded and all the indicator lenses were opaque, but the price we paid for them would make Lidl look like amateurs !!!!!
 

bravheart

Member
Location
scottish borders
aye, but you could ve looked the car over, decided it wasn't for you, and walked away.ha
years ago i had someone " interested " in a spud planter. would you mind hooking it to a tractor, and lift it up so i can turn the land wheel to see if it moves ? unhitched another implement, hitched on the planter, lifted it up, turned the landwheel, worked faultlessly.
would you mind connecting hydraulic pipes to check agitators are working ?
nae bother, connected pipes, worked faultlessly.
would you mind tipping a tray of spuds in to check doors that regulate spuds coming out of hopper work ok ?
connected electrics up, tipped spuds in, worked faultlessly.

after all this pish, bloke looks at me, says thanks, i'll think about it, and buggers off, never to be seen again.

only asking £350 for the fecking thing in the first place.

there's some real timewasters about.
Of course I could've walked away and he would have had another potential buyer round the corner

He promised and broke it within 1 hour.
 

Tonym

Member
Location
Shropshire
The first year I started farming I bought a combine from the local Burgess branch. I had a hard deal with the rep and agreed that if I bought it as seen with no warranty and collected it from the Farm he could defer payment until the end of the year. Just the deal I wanted as being short of cash it allowed me to do my harvesting and sell some corn to pay for the combine.
My father and I collected the combine a few days later and when we returned home the bill was on the mat. Phoned the manager of the local branch and he knew nothing of the deal I had struck with the rep but said leave it with me for a day or two.
He phoned me a few days later to tell me they would honour the deal.
That rep moved round the dealers in the area and got the reputation of being a serial liar and I was once told by a member of his family that " he was such a good liar that he believed them himself ".
In those days a deal was an honourable thing and people were judged by their honesty.
 

Dave W

Member
Location
chesterfield
you have to bear in mind, the bad payers, time wasters and no show buyers, will not be posting on here telling you how bad they really are, think about that one
Always makes me laugh when you see adverts that state no timewasters. Possibly the most pointless statement ever.
Has anyone ever read an advert, though "oh I'm a timewaster I'll not bother ringing"
 

Fuzzy

Member
Location
Bedfordshire
Which proves that a verbal deal isnt a deal. Nothing is a deal until money paid. That's what money is for ie the guarantee.
A verbal deal would be a 'Contact' under UK law. and could be pursued through the courts. But in most cases who would want the hassle and expense of trudging through the courts.
 
Always makes me laugh when you see adverts that state no timewasters. Possibly the most pointless statement ever.
Has anyone ever read an advert, though "oh I'm a timewaster I'll not bother ringing"
i dunno davy. i've started putting " no timewasters " on adverts. if it just stops one dingleberry from pressing the " next ", " is this still available ", " interested " button, or asking the price/ location when the price / location is already stated, it's well worth it IMO.
 

Dave W

Member
Location
chesterfield
i dunno davy. i've started putting " no timewasters " on adverts. if it just stops one dingleberry from pressing the " next ", " is this still available ", " interested " button, or asking the price/ location when the price / location is already stated, it's well worth it IMO.
Those replies on fb are a pain. They get pressed accidentally without people realising they've pressed them. Just take no notice
 
The first year I started farming I bought a combine from the local Burgess branch. I had a hard deal with the rep and agreed that if I bought it as seen with no warranty and collected it from the Farm he could defer payment until the end of the year. Just the deal I wanted as being short of cash it allowed me to do my harvesting and sell some corn to pay for the combine.
My father and I collected the combine a few days later and when we returned home the bill was on the mat. Phoned the manager of the local branch and he knew nothing of the deal I had struck with the rep but said leave it with me for a day or two.
He phoned me a few days later to tell me they would honour the deal.
That rep moved round the dealers in the area and got the reputation of being a serial liar and I was once told by a member of his family that " he was such a good liar that he believed them himself ".
In those days a deal was an honourable thing and people were judged by their honesty.
Did he do time at Shukers? :ROFLMAO: I think I may o dealt with him :ROFLMAO:
 

mx110

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Location
cumbria
Those replies on fb are a pain. They get pressed accidentally without people realising they've pressed them. Just take no notice
got to admit my fat numb thumbs have been guilty of this when looking at things on my phone. then get a reply to message i had no idea i'd sent
 

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