When rewilding goes wrong , (graphic image)

delilah

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Surely there must be an island in the UK that sees the potential for massive eco-tourism income by having wolves on the loose ? Or do we not have a big enough island, with I guess deer n stuff for the wolves, but no sheep farmers ? There must be a win/win here somewhere ?
 

andybk

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Livestock Farmer
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Mendips Somerset
Surely there must be an island in the UK that sees the potential for massive eco-tourism income by having wolves on the loose ? Or do we not have a big enough island, with I guess deer n stuff for the wolves, but no sheep farmers ? There must be a win/win here somewhere ?
where exactly ? , wolves released on an island would soon become a welfare disaster , the deer wouldnt last long , nor would anything else . The point of the OP is to highlight what happens when ecologists get their way with no plan B or exit policy , to be honest top predators are better in places like longleat where they Can be looked after properly especially on a small island on which we live
 

delilah

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where exactly ?

I don't know, hence the question. Can't help but think there will be more money to be earned from wolf-watching than sheep-farming on some island in our waters.
Vasectomized wolves to control the numbers ? Everything is a compromise, we either try to find a half-way house or just keep fighting Cwis n co and get nowhere ?
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
Surely there must be an island in the UK that sees the potential for massive eco-tourism income by having wolves on the loose ? Or do we not have a big enough island, with I guess deer n stuff for the wolves, but no sheep farmers ? There must be a win/win here somewhere ?

Isle of Wight..... ;)

But yes, on the right island something as you suggest might work... But it will need to be in a single ownership in my view.
 

Humble Village Farmer

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Essex
where exactly ? , wolves released on an island would soon become a welfare disaster , the deer wouldnt last long , nor would anything else . The point of the OP is to highlight what happens when ecologists get their way with no plan B or exit policy , to be honest top predators are better in places like longleat where they Can be looked after properly especially on a small island on which we live
Doesn't nature balance out the prey and predator ratios?
 

andybk

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Mendips Somerset
Doesn't nature balance out the prey and predator ratios?
thats what the chris packhams tell themselves , they do to some degree , usually at the cost of prey further down the chain, Uncle whos a gamekeeper were forever picking up thin owls (inc barn) where corvoids and buzzards ate all their food sources. there are usually huge see saws before equilibrium is found .
 

Northern territory

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Livestock Farmer
Who the hell is going to want to go walking anywhere where wolves or big cats are about though. The way people think in this country they would be running back to the towns.
 

Paddington

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Soggy Shropshire
Surely there must be an island in the UK that sees the potential for massive eco-tourism income by having wolves on the loose ? Or do we not have a big enough island, with I guess deer n stuff for the wolves, but no sheep farmers ? There must be a win/win here somewhere ?
City traders would love to live on the Isle of Wolves instead of the Isle of Dogs, be handy for the eco tourists too.
 

SteveHants

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Livestock Farmer
Google “borth lynx escape”

We had a puma or something similar here back in 2003-2006, big texel ewes dragged and stuck on barbed wire fences 6-7’ from the ground. Dogs wouldn’t go through half acre patches of gorse which they’d go through every day plus loads of sitings. We phoned the police one day to explain the situation and they sent out the armed response unit and had 2 chaps walk the whole farm with MP5’s. They wernt surprised by the phone call and said they knew there were a few in west wales but they could travel serious mileage.
We had a trip to the animalarium when I was a student - I can see how pretty much anything could escape from there, it was chaos. :ROFLMAO:
 

Poorbuthappy

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Devon
Wolves are a welfare disaster. Kosher slaughter is nothing next to death by wolf
I and my family are big fans of the nature programmes- Attenborough etc. But it has always raised a wry smile that they skip over the way hunting dogs/ wolves kill their prey. They show the hunt and catch, then skip to the pack feeding on a half eaten carcass.
Unlike a big cat that throttles its prey, canines tend to eat larger prey to death.
 

MRT

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Livestock Farmer
I and my family are big fans of the nature programmes- Attenborough etc. But it has always raised a wry smile that they skip over the way hunting dogs/ wolves kill their prey. They show the hunt and catch, then skip to the pack feeding on a half eaten carcass.
Unlike a big cat that throttles its prey, canines tend to eat larger prey to death.
The mental gymnastics of those who get very upset about deer being shot or hunting with dogs yet advocate wolves is impressive
 

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
I and my family are big fans of the nature programmes- Attenborough etc. But it has always raised a wry smile that they skip over the way hunting dogs/ wolves kill their prey. They show the hunt and catch, then skip to the pack feeding on a half eaten carcass.
Unlike a big cat that throttles its prey, canines tend to eat larger prey to death.
I shared a vid - which I can't find now- of a bear in Alaska maybe, eating a deer calf from the ass-end forrard.
It's screaming in pain, as mummy deer looks in distraught, pacing about 100m away.

It's grim to watch if you're a bit of a sensitive type, but thats the way nature is.
 

Poorbuthappy

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
I shared a vid - which I can't find now- of a bear in Alaska maybe, eating a deer calf from the ass-end forrard.
It's screaming in pain, as mummy deer looks in distraught, pacing about 100m away.

It's grim to watch if you're a bit of a sensitive type, but thats the way nature is.
Not sure i can like that, but nature sure is cruel.
To my mind the miliant vegan types show a complete disconnect with the natural word in their insistence that we do nothing at all that affects animals.
 

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