When will RT end ?

[SilliamWhale]

Having watched the set up meeting yesterday the only genuine person was the person running it. Think his name was John.

The rest of them all had ulterior motives. A few can see gravy train jobs in the years to come and a few are so ingrained in it they can’t see the wood for the trees. The two lady’s who were from farming business’s . Clearly their own jobs are more important than the family business’s as they are happy to be selling at a disadvantage to the rest of the world.

We are a small player in global food production and we need all the help we can. Marxist like hitler assurance scams like RT are not help. Just pure hinderance.

Alas John didn't push the people to answer the questions fully. The question about premiums was waffled off to no answer.

Christine Tacon talks a good game and I know she is capable but there is nothing in it for her to rock the boat. Same for all the people on the AFS board bar Stuart Roberts who is answerable to his members, but has shown no enthusiasm for change

 

[warksfarmer]

Alas John didn't push the people to answer the questions fully. The question about premiums was waffled off to no answer.

Christine Tacon talks a good game and I know she is capable but there is nothing in it for her to rock the boat.

I was thinking at least he tried to get the questions in such as imports standards but yes he didn’t push for an answer.

All in all a completely pointless webinar that’s made zero difference and won’t stop the ball that’s now rolling to shut it down. I would think Christine’s been on the job search this morning as she’ll know it’s past it’s sell by date.

 

[digger64]

Not sure its evil
Just a way of identifying non assured lambs
Another market puts a green mark on assured lambs and blue on non assured when they are graded
And isn't RT about making a difference between assured and non assured
My point was are they separated at slaughter

look at it another way , no supermarket would label something as non assured or not produced in the uk or not fair trade etc would they .

 

[Clive]

I was thinking at least he tried to get the questions in such as imports standards but yes he didn’t push for an answer.

All in all a completely pointless webinar that’s made zero difference and won’t stop the ball that’s now rolling to shut it down. I would think Christine’s been on the job search this morning as she’ll know it’s past it’s sell by date.

Christine seems the only voice of reason there. IMO and has not been afraid to engage with me and others

i think she genuinely wants to fix this understands its very broken right now ......... if she has either power, inclination or ability to do so is another matter however

 

[warksfarmer]

Christine seems the only voice of reason there. IMO and has not been afraid to engage with me and others

i think she genuinely wants to fix this understands its very broken right now ......... if she has either power, inclination or ability to do so is another matter however

Let’s get her on board to head up the new union. 65,000 NFU member get offered a membership of a new union with Christine in charge at £50 per year is £3.25 mill to run it.

We might actually get the other 45,000 farmers in the country to join as well.

 

[Bald n Grumpy]

look at it another way , no supermarket would label something as non assured or not produced in the uk or not fair trade etc would they .

Ok so they should put a marker on the assured instead of the non assured
Doesn't really make much difference good non fa lambs will sell better than lesser fa lambs
But the point was how many non fa lambs end up with a red tractor in a supermarket
The same as the Grain men say about imported grain getting mixed in with assured grain

 

[FarmyStu]

I am impressed that my poll votes are only 4 behind RT ending "next year"!

Anyway, as has been done in other polls on here, I've extrapolated the data. With around 50000 members, it turns out that 4.9%/2500 of them are me. I'd like to cast my 2500 votes in favour of a bit more tolerance of alternative viewpoints.....

 

[digger64]

Ok so they should put a marker on the assured instead of the non assured
Doesn't really make much difference good non fa lambs will sell better than lesser fa lambs
But the point was how many non fa lambs end up with a red tractor in a supermarket
The same as the Grain men say about imported grain getting mixed in with assured grain

Exactly so they the buyers get the opportunity to discount some lambs but then send them to the same place for the same price so overall the sheep farmers that day have communally lost value to their product per kg and have also reduced the market average that the dw values are based on .
Allowing the market to differentiate costs ALL producers MONEY.

 

[principal skinner]

Christine did say she didn’t know how much difference she could make in a year. Jim didn’t look at all happy when she was talking towards the end of the presentation.

 

[Billboy1]

just preparing for my audit today took about 15 mins mostly just changing the dates from last year absolute f@#$in joke

 

[spin cycle]

I am impressed that my poll votes are only 4 behind RT ending "next year"!

Anyway, as has been done in other polls on here, I've extrapolated the data. With around 50000 members, it turns out that 4.9%/2500 of them are me. I'd like to cast my 2500 votes in favour of a bit more tolerance of alternative viewpoints.....

i voted for you ...gap only 2 now...#vote stu

 

[Old apprentice]

Following these threads the information I glean from it is the same other people sticking there noses in farming messing things up driving uk ag down is all thay seem to do and then export our work job abroad . A sustained effort to interfer and run us down ,as if we have to have big brother looking over our shoulder .Imports no thay support more than us .Bl.......dy disgracefully the lot of them.

 

[Ashtree]

Oh dear. The war of independence from the EU having been won, the victors inevitably turn their guns on themselves. RT and NFU first up for court martial and summary execution.
Where will the leaders of the putsch focus on next I wonder?

 

[warksfarmer]

Oh dear. The war of independence from the EU having been won, the victors inevitably turn their guns on themselves. RT and NFU first up for court martial and summary execution.
Where will the leaders of the putsch focus on next I wonder?

Yawn yawn. Your pal Bidens cocked up .......

 

[Raider112]

Bless you, but aren’t asking for much. The Bord Bia scheme in ROI, is largely the same as your RT scheme, dressed in a green top. Depending on your target market for your output, you can join or not. Totally your choice.
For those in the scheme, yes they do vent a bit about some of the more stupid regs, but I can’t say I know of any farmer in it, who has pulled out. The price premium for finished product far outweighs the effort and cost to comply. I know of two who lost registration because of shall we say, “lack of commitment”!
Those who look for bogeymen to hang all their troubles and strife on, rarely succeed. Even the day you die, and for a considerable time thereafter you are caught up in rules and regulations.
Get over it! Keep calm and farm on.

"The scheme in ROI is largely the same as your RT" Fair enough.
"You can join or not, totally your choice" That doesn't sound the same to be honest if you want to trade.
"The price premium for the finished product far outweighs the effort and cost to comply" Your scheme and ours are obviously like chalk and cheese, when FA first started we were enticed in with something like that but they gave up on those ideas soon after.
Think of the Krays years ago to get an idea of our racket.

 

[Old apprentice]

Oh dear. The war of independence from the EU having been won, the victors inevitably turn their guns on themselves. RT and NFU first up for court martial and summary execution.
Where will the leaders of the putsch focus on next I wonder?

No they are the ones that did not want to leave turning there guns on farming.

 

[Highland Mule]

Ok so they should put a marker on the assured instead of the non assured
Doesn't really make much difference good non fa lambs will sell better than lesser fa lambs
But the point was how many non fa lambs end up with a red tractor in a supermarket
The same as the Grain men say about imported grain getting mixed in with assured grain

At my local, the FA sensitive buyers (Scotbeef, Woodheads, etc.) sit on their hands when non FA lambs come in, so I would say none of my lambs end up with RT/ QMS logos - and rightly so too. I accept fewer buyers but as most of my produce goes direct to consumer that's okay.

Perhaps an unpopular position for me to take on this thread, but there certainly is a price premium for FA lamb, in my experience - at least in times of plenty and when the buyers can be fussy. If I have some to put through the mart, I try to mitigate the effects of the reduced number of buyers and produce a butcher spec lamb (43kg) rather than a supermarket spec (38-42), as I find that local butcher buyers are less sensitive to FA than supermarkets.

 

[Clive]

Following these threads the information I glean from it is the same other people sticking there noses in farming messing things up driving uk ag down is all thay seem to do and then export our work job abroad . A sustained effort to interfer and run us down ,as if we have to have big brother looking over our shoulder .Imports no thay support more than us .Bl.......dy disgracefully the lot of them.

alternatively it could be suggested we democratically sorted out one massive costly gravy train and and now moving on to the next !


Hows that EU vaccination program going by the way ? Just image the economic and personally tragic situation we would be in right now had we remained in that toxic self serving club ! Looked at £/$ or £/ € rates recently ? Hardly been a disaster for the Uk yet has it !

 

[Highland Mule]

Just image the economic and personally tragic situation we would be in right now had we remained in that toxic self serving club !

Just checking - do you really believe that our vaccination programme would have been any different if we'd stayed in the EU? Are you really that naive to believe the nonsense suggestion that the UK wouldn't have been allowed to licence, buy and use as they saw fit anyway?

Stick to farming Clive.

 

[Old apprentice]

Just checking - do you really believe that our vaccination programme would have been any different if we'd stayed in the EU? Are you really that naive to believe the nonsense suggestion that the UK wouldn't have been allowed to licence, buy and use as they saw fit anyway?

Stick to farming Clive.

I think thay would have tried.