Where did my steak come from.

Discussion in 'Agricultural Matters' started by llamedos, Jul 19, 2017.

  1. willdevon

    willdevon Member

    I have just lodged a complaint with the Advertising Standards Authority.
    Easy to do on-line : https://www.asa.org.uk/make-a-complaint.html
    The more people who complain the better. Also, those with direct correspondence with the supermarkets saying they can't trace the meat back to the farm as the RT advertising states will be in the best position to make a strong complaint.
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  2. Steevo

    Steevo Member

    Red Tractor's watching you....
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  3. Bongodog

    Bongodog Member

    Why did anyone ever think this traceability was practical in a large scale meat cutting plant ?. There's plenty of youtube videos that show what happens:
    Carcases are broken down into their component parts, these then go for further processing, sometimes not even on the same site. Then as an example a line slices and packs sirloins, a number of workers cut meat and place it on a conveyor into plastic trays, which then get weighed, sealed and labelled
    It would be possible to have a worker individually process one sirloin at a time and label it accordingly, but it would never meet the price the supermarkets are prepared to pay.
  4. kiwi pom

    kiwi pom Member

    canterbury NZ
    Am I right in saying milk can have the Red Tractor stamp?
    How can you trace that back to the individual cow?
    Red Tractors says it can trace back to the "original British farms". There's an s on the end, a bit misleading perhaps and maybe they should change it, but if they can trace everything to the cutting plant and the plant only cuts RT meat or can keep it separate and can show who it is sold to, is that not assuring its to RT standard?
    As you say maybe things can be tightened up and as a result of this thread it might happen.
    Guess who's going to pay for it?
  5. More to the point: who's asking for it? The consumers don't appear to be.
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  6. kiwi pom

    kiwi pom Member

    canterbury NZ
    Good question. Consumers aren't asking for it but if something goes wrong and there's a food scare or they get a rotten steak they THEN want to know where it comes from.
    Retailers want it I suppose so they can cover their arse if something goes wrong.
    I don't know much about RT, I suppose its trying to be a one stop assurance scheme that promotes British food and tries to prevent every processor and retailer coming up with their own individual set of rules?
    Its voluntary though right? So what happens if all the farmers jack it in?
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  7. caveman

    caveman Member

    East Sussex.
    All that info is available without RT
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  8. Henarar

    Henarar Member

    ZumerZet Somerset
    They seem to think we can do it some farmers have a few thousand cattle and we manage at the price supermarkets will pay
    Farmers easy target ?
  9. Bongodog

    Bongodog Member

    these traceability schemes are about two things:
    Making the consumer feel they care
    Providing work for people with degrees in soft subjects who exist off levy fees

    I learnt at a very early stage in my working life about the importance of pieces of paper, when working in electronics we were supplied with some components without the necessary documentation required by our end customer. A colleague went to the supplier, who pulled a pad of forms out of a drawer with "certificate of conformity" on them, then reached for his pen and entered a qty, a part description and a BS spec, handed the form over and said "all sorted" I recall the certificate used to be an extra £5.
    Look at all the hardwood garden furniture with FSC stickers, is it really traceable all the way back to a tree in the far east ?
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  10. Courier

    Courier Member

    [QUOTE="kiwi pom, post: 4145406, ]
    Retailers want it I suppose so they can cover their arse if something goes wrong.

    100% it's about passing the buck back to the primary producer....
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  11. Steevo

    Steevo Member

    Take this current egg scare! Supermarkets decide to buy from elsewhere. Consumers don't trust the whole country at all....RT or not.
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2017
  12. wdah/him

    wdah/him Member

    current egg scare isnt on british eggs but that has not being reported. most eggs pavked will say british eggs on it if from uk farms
  13. topground

    topground Member

    North Somerset.
    No Scotch eggs on Lidl shelves for several weeks. Is there a connection?
    We should be told!
    Almost certainly in my view. Dutch eggs featured were white so no market here direct to the public ( unless packed with brown and blue eggs in a six pack at a premium!)
  14. matthew

    matthew Member

    If the chook house sanitiser was sold internationally, then it is naive to assume it wasn't sold here.
  15. Courier

    Courier Member

    TESCO prepacked Scotch eggs 2 for £2.10 - Deli counter 2 for 75p , go figure...
  16. Clive

    Clive Staff Member

    Joe public ? that will be our customers then ? why should they matter in a scheme WE pay for to give them confidence in the food we produce ............................ :cry::cry::cry:
  17. Old Boar

    Old Boar Member

    West Wales
    We dont actually know the whole thing is not a huge smoke screen. As the RT auditors seem to be the only ones who can track anything, and they are paid by RT so would have an interest in supporting the smoke screen, how can we be sure the whole thing works?
    I am not saying this is true, but could it be?
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