Where is less Loony?

Dead Rabbits

Member
Location
'Merica
Rural America is about as good as it gets' if you value personal freedoms and opportunity, especially so in western states. Plenty of avenues to follow your dream and support when needed.
Locally we need another vet, immigration procedure is not the problem many perceive.
Aye? Do you know something about visas I don’t? What visas are people getting in your area? It’s hard to get any kind of visa and even more of a challenge to be able to legally stay.
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
Canada would be my choice, would have been France but I think the way things are going there and Europe in general Canada would be better, went there in 2012 and it was lovely and the people seem to love brits, parts of the US are ok but there are some nut cases there like here.
Too old to move far now so just dont watch the news and then font get too worked up by all the nonsense, do worry about my grandkids though.

Canada would have been high on my list if I had been younger (sister has a farm in BC), but still did think seriously about it before coming to France.
 
Aye? Do you know something about visas I don’t? What visas are people getting in your area? It’s hard to get any kind of visa and even more of a challenge to be able to legally stay.

Yes, I do know a little having made the move myself, for most on the forum I think they would be moving to start a business. There are a multitude of visa avenues to take depending on your required field, did you know for instance that "sheepherders" come under the same classification as nurses and other skills in short supply and so get prioritized..
For anyone wanting to own at least 51% of a commercial business/ agricultural operation then an E-2 visa is the way to go.
Come up with a plan, hire an immigration attorney to file for you in the correct manner and press forward.
 

Goweresque

Member
Location
North Wilts
If you want to avoid 'wokism' you have to leave the West. All Western nations are now fundamentally split between the masses, who are largely as they ever have been politically, and a political class that runs everything and selects its new members by their political allegiance to the Left. Basically you don't get to be a senior person of any organisation in the West unless you are a signed up believer (at least in public) of the Left's latest nostrums. This goes for all elected politicians (regardless of their rosette colour), all State run and funded organisations, all educational organisations, all charities, all mainstream media outlets and increasingly large business as well. What would have been completely mainstream political views 30 years ago, ones that are held by large proportions or even the majority of the population at large now exclude you from almost any position of power within Western society. This results in what we see today where what the political class want they almost inevitably get because regardless of who one votes for, behind the scenes the same people are making the decisions. Its why Brexit was such sh*tstorm, the political class was outvoted by the masses on a single issue referendum, and had the biggest of all temper tantrums as a result.

You'd have to probably move to more traditional religion based societies to avoid this - perhaps places dominated by the Catholic Church, such as Eastern Europe or South America perhaps. Or dare I say it even go to somewhere like Russia. Yes, you would have to make sure you didn't make fun of Uncle Vlad, but you wouldn't have your children being taught there are 27 different genders and the world is going to end if you eat a burger.
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
My brother lives in the US. He works in a lab in California.
I reckon Montana would be about perfect. Cattle, horses, Big Skys etc. I’m not sure how easy getting residency is though. My wife did a Young Farmers exchange there a few years ago. The advantage with the US system is that it appears the more rural states aren’t dictated too quite as much by the urban dwellers. The rural/small town US sometimes seems like the only place that still cares about the freedom of the individual.

Chile is an interesting shout. There’s a Chilean guy who lives down the road actually. Lovely bloke. Came over here to work and then Covid hit and he’s still here. I’ll chat to him about it. Chile always strikes me as sensible South America.
I loved MT, but Herself just could not deal with the sheer scale of the place and the big distances to anywhere.

I agree with everything you say though, I would have gone 20 years ago... Loved the attitude to rural life and small(ish) town America. At the time, we reckoned with a good cash reserve to buy a farm/ranch, we could have got a Green card.

Canada as backup....
 

Exfarmer

Member
Location
Bury St Edmunds
Have been to Australia and NZ and regret, when I had to make the big move from home, I did not go to NZ lovely country , full of opportunity. However wages are , or at least were low but life is amazing.
Not sure about any hunting scene
 

Tim W

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Wiltshire
Wife and I are early/mid 30s, living in the South of England and thinking about the future. Baby arriving soon all things being well.

I’m a livestock farmer, she’s a farrier. Outside interests; cricket (me), horses (her), hunting (both).

With the mounting lunacy in government with regards to farming in this country where, if anywhere is better?

Oz? (Could we stand the heat!?)
NZ? (Has that turned even more anti farming than the U.K. recently?)
Scotland? (recommending big cut in cattle numbers).
Ireland? France? Argentina?
Might pass on Afghan for now but happy to think of other options!

Or stay put, keep our heads down and keep expanding the business?
Are others having similar thoughts?
Farming/food production has a great future ---everybody needs feeding (even if they don't know it comes from farmers)
If you are ambitious i would consider S America or Ukraine/Moldova/one of the Black Sea states ---you would get adventure/potential to build something you wouldn't get here & easier regulation (at the moment)
 
I loved MT, but Herself just could not deal with the sheer scale of the place and the big distances to anywhere.

I agree with everything you say though, I would have gone 20 years ago... Loved the attitude to rural life and small(ish) town America. At the time, we reckoned with a good cash reserve to buy a farm/ranch, we could have got a Green card.

Canada as backup....

When I moved to U.S. I knew that the wide open spaces were not for me, I think in some way its' best if you are born into that type of life.
So chose a more (in a way) Englishy farmed area but without all the crap that now passes in UK.
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
Wife and I are early/mid 30s, living in the South of England and thinking about the future. Baby arriving soon all things being well.

I’m a livestock farmer, she’s a farrier. Outside interests; cricket (me), horses (her), hunting (both).

With the mounting lunacy in government with regards to farming in this country where, if anywhere is better?

Oz? (Could we stand the heat!?)
NZ? (Has that turned even more anti farming than the U.K. recently?)
Scotland? (recommending big cut in cattle numbers).
Ireland? France? Argentina?
Might pass on Afghan for now but happy to think of other options!

Or stay put, keep our heads down and keep expanding the business?
Are others having similar thoughts?


Wow, not many lady farriers 👍
I wish you the best of luck whatever you choose
 

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