Where will the Dutch go?

oil barron

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Aberdeenshire
I’m sure the Dutch will be fine. Anywhere you go in the world, if there is a really challenging job it’s likely the Dutch are doing it. I can see their farmers taking on a chunk of Russia, as long as the Chinese haven’t taken it all first.
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms

It would be physically do-able.
It would, and the bridges from GB to NI would be even more so. But the cost and many other factors would be astronomical compared to previous efforts, I guess it all boils down to cash. The Dutch economy certainly couldn't afford it, perhaps the EU might start organise funding and acquisition...

The Dutch could always go to Scotland, at least they would make the Scots look generous.
Quite so, we must remember that we've the Dutch to thank for the modern world's banking & credit system.
 

czechmate

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Mixed Farmer
It would, and the bridges from GB to NI would be even more so. But the cost and many other factors would be astronomical compared to previous efforts, I guess it all boils down to cash. The Dutch economy certainly couldn't afford it, perhaps the EU might start organise funding and acquisition...


Quite so, we must remember that we've the Dutch to thank for the modern world's banking & credit system.

Their auctions are stupid
 

Ashtree

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By the time the Dutch start moving, if they need to, there will be tens of millions around the world in the same boat, no pun intended. Some of the largest and most populous cities on the planet, are in imminent danger from rising sea water.
Those rushy hill farms, might be very valuable yet, both monetarily and from the perspective of getting a good nights sleep.
 

Danllan

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Location
Sir Gar / Carms
By the time the Dutch start moving, if they need to, there will be tens of millions around the world in the same boat, no pun intended. Some of the largest and most populous cities on the planet, are in imminent danger from rising sea water.
Those rushy hill farms, might be very valuable yet, both monetarily and from the perspective of getting a good nights sleep.
That's all part of it, yes. In the bigger picture it's interesting to note that the continent that will probably suffer least is Africa. Doesn't mean they'll pull their fingers out and organise themselves any better, but in global economic terms they'll have one less disadvantage - or excuse.
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
Their engineering has been remarkable so far. But, to get your head around the problem properly, you need to look at the rise in sea level over, say, the past hundred years, and realistic estimates for the future.

And then ask if the improvement in engineering over the last decade is a match for the rate at which we see the level rising, let alone what it probably will do - or may do if things are worse than we currently think.

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Graph from: Sea Level Change - The British Geographer (weebly.com)

Chillax- that graph is in millimetres, not metres. A 15 metre rise in sea levels and I'd suggest they have a problem. An extra foot is hardly going to be difficult for them.
 

Danllan

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Location
Sir Gar / Carms
Chillax- that graph is in millimetres, not metres. A 15 metre rise in sea levels and I'd suggest they have a problem. An extra foot is hardly going to be difficult for them.
First, I'm not over-stating this and being neither poof nor urbanite, I don't and will never 'chillax'... :yuck: But will have a relaxing beer or peg as appropriate to season. (y)

Second, you must be mathematically competent, so tell us... what is the additional force any flood defence will have to withstand from a rise of just one foot in global sea level? And that's just a minimal rise, what about storm surges and - probable horror to come sooner or later - when that bit of Noway drops off, even if it's just a tine percentage of what's likely?

Of course, there is a chance that cold fusion or some such will be discovered soon and we can lock up all the carbon and start re-freezing the poles. But failing that, the melt will continue and accelerate, that triggers clathrate release which expedites the process, it's circular, it isn't really going to stop and we both have young children who'll see this in their lifetimes.

Don't misunderstand me, in the long term - geological time, that is - it's an irrelevance, it's happened before and will happen again, nature will die-out / adapt and things will carry on - I'm not a human-egoist, we'll be mere footnotes in the end. But on the human timescale this is serious and does matter; the Dutch may be able to give themselves a few extra decades, possibly, and delay the inevitable; but other places won't and regardless of where we are in the world it will have a major effect on our children, and theirs.
 

Johnnyboxer

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Location
Yorkshire
First, I'm not over-stating this and being neither poof nor urbanite, I don't and will never 'chillax'... :yuck: But will have a relaxing beer or peg as appropriate to season. (y)

Second, you must be mathematically competent, so tell us... what is the additional force any flood defence will have to withstand from a rise of just one foot in global sea level? And that's just a minimal rise, what about storm surges and - probable horror to come sooner or later - when that bit of Noway drops off, even if it's just a tine percentage of what's likely?

Of course, there is a chance that cold fusion or some such will be discovered soon and we can lock up all the carbon and start re-freezing the poles. But failing that, the melt will continue and accelerate, that triggers clathrate release which expedites the process, it's circular, it isn't really going to stop and we both have young children who'll see this in their lifetimes.

Don't misunderstand me, in the long term - geological time, that is - it's an irrelevance, it's happened before and will happen again, nature will die-out / adapt and things will carry on - I'm not a human-egoist, we'll be mere footnotes in the end. But on the human timescale this is serious and does matter; the Dutch may be able to give themselves a few extra decades, possibly, and delay the inevitable; but other places won't and regardless of where we are in the world it will have a major effect on our children and theirs.

Don’t be too dramatic
 

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