Which 5 furrow plough?

stablegirl

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Location
North
Large mixed dairy farm, using the plough to prep seedbed for wheat, maize and grass.

Have had 2 kverneland, a 4 then a 5, with a 200 headstock, kind of looking for another kv, but both have had a bit of bother with the valve block, and don't like the fact the variwidth had no grease points on, and see plenty of of kvs with welding on.

They do however hold their money really well, what are opinions and pros and cons of other brands, do kv hold their money because they are the best?

Ploughing with a 4220 so weight not a massive issue but must be auto reset.

I like the look of the kuhns seem better price 2nd hand?

I've seen reasonably priced amazone, the caryos, and new Holland ploughs which I believe are overums?


Will I be disappointed if I stray away from kv? Medium soil with some stone and plenty of muck to Bury!
 

KB6930

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Location
Borders
Kv ES all the way!!

I've been using kv all my days and I've tried the rest but too much faffing around adjusting stuff with them .The kv might not be perfect but as an every day plough they just do a good job with no faffing around adjusting things from field to field .

I'm waiting on another new ES coming I had an EG for 4 yrs and it's guttered out in some places compared to the es we have which is older and has done more work so we're keeping the old plough and putting the newer 1 away .

I've got it out today and it's still making a grand job despite being hammered into rocks since 2010!!

Currently ploughing between 1000 and 1200 acres a year depending on season we have 2 ploughs but the second plough is a backup and isn't used much at all
 

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stablegirl

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Location
North
Not really looked at lemken.

Usability is important, various operators with various levels of experience.

What's the difference between an eg and an es?

What does guttered out mean?
 

KB6930

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Location
Borders
Not really looked at lemken.

Usability is important, various operators with various levels of experience.

What's the difference between an eg and an es?

What does guttered out mean?
EG all plough legs are on the beam so all move with vari width

ES first leg attached to slide for front furrow width the rest on the beam so front furrow needs moving independently if you want to all done with hydraulics.

Guttered out =worn
 

Foxcover

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Ploughed with a Dowdeswell, Kuhn and a Lemken, all 6f mounted.
Out of Kuhn and Lemken I thought the Kuhn was heavier and stronger, the Lemken always seemed to want to narrow up through a tough patch but that won’t be a problem to you on medium land.
All in all though I preferred the Dowdeswell believe it or not.
I’ve never used a KV but I think they always look to do the best job, No8 and 28 bodies are hard beat for the finish they leave.
4220 will boss a 6f easy, be good in the furrow on 540 or 600 tyres too.
 
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Chae1

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Location
Aberdeenshire
I would get a 300hp headstock. Most of problems I had with previous kv ploughs was 200 headstock.

I would think a 4220 would easily lift a 6f. If you have a vari width can easily shut it down if struggling for grip.

I would go for a 100 clearance if ploughing out a lot of grass. Mines shorter and blocks quite easily.

It's on a lwb t7. It has 3m press mounted on plough too.

I plan replacing that tractor with a 4220.

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snarling bee

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Arable Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
My 4220 picks up a 6m folding Kuhn PH or a big fert spreader with 2.4t product in without a front weight. I know a mate has lifted his 6f LO which would be a bit heavier than a EG or ES.
 

Two Tone

Member
Mixed Farmer
Large mixed dairy farm, using the plough to prep seedbed for wheat, maize and grass.

Have had 2 kverneland, a 4 then a 5, with a 200 headstock, kind of looking for another kv, but both have had a bit of bother with the valve block, and don't like the fact the variwidth had no grease points on, and see plenty of of kvs with welding on.

They do however hold their money really well, what are opinions and pros and cons of other brands, do kv hold their money because they are the best?

Ploughing with a 4220 so weight not a massive issue but must be auto reset.

I like the look of the kuhns seem better price 2nd hand?

I've seen reasonably priced amazone, the caryos, and new Holland ploughs which I believe are overums?


Will I be disappointed if I stray away from kv? Medium soil with some stone and plenty of muck to Bury!
I’ve got a nice 5 furrow KV LS95 on 29 bodies (ideal for muck!) for sale if you are interested. Similar to and ES, but the front furrow is fixed/ manually adjusted. Less moving parts than an ES so pins bushes and tie rods not a problem. Wish I’d got rid of my Dowdeswell year ago. The KV is very reliable and nothing compares to lack of wear in the metal. Mine also has the Dura-faced wings, that will probably never need changing!
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I’ve gone Direct drilling now, so £5 grand buys it.
 

KB6930

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Location
Borders
I would get a 300hp headstock. Most of problems I had with previous kv ploughs was 200 headstock.

I would think a 4220 would easily lift a 6f. If you have a vari width can easily shut it down if struggling for grip.

I would go for a 100 clearance if ploughing out a lot of grass. Mines shorter and blocks quite easily.

It's on a lwb t7. It has 3m press mounted on plough too.

I plan replacing that tractor with a 4220.

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Biggest bother with fastrac is getting tyre pressure low enough for grip and still being able to carry the weight of the plough .

On a 5 you really don't need a 300 headstock but yes 100 clearance is the shot
 

Two Tone

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Mixed Farmer
Biggest bother with fastrac is getting tyre pressure low enough for grip and still being able to carry the weight of the plough .

On a 5 you really don't need a 300 headstock but yes 100 clearance is the shot
I’ve never ever had any problem with grip while plough with my Fastrac. I don’t even need front weights!
It has always out ploughed my NH 7050 each day, which has to have a lot of weight on the front.
Yes, on the old 2000 series JCB, maximum lift weight is a problem. Hence my going for a KV LS with (semi) hydraulic vari-width.

I’ve also got an an old ES 85 for nostalgic reasons to fit behind my working classic NH8340. A great plough but a lot more problems as too many moving parts. I’m keeping it in case I need to plough anything again, such as for contracting.
 

KB6930

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Location
Borders
I’ve never ever had any problem with grip while plough with my Fastrac. I don’t even need front weights!
It has always out ploughed my NH 7050 each day, which has to have a lot of weight on the front.
Yes, on the old 2000 series JCB, maximum lift weight is a problem. Hence my going for a KV LS with (semi) hydraulic vari-width.

I’ve also got an an old ES 85 for nostalgic reasons to fit behind my working classic NH8340. A great plough but a lot more problems as too many moving parts. I’m keeping it in case I need to plough anything again, such as for contracting.
I'm scratching around for grip with mine a lot but if I let the tyres down I'm having trouble spinning the rims inside the tyres.

For what I'm doing I'll be back to a standard tractor next time . I really like the fastrac but it's just not good enough especially on the 3m sumo trio
 

stablegirl

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Location
North
4220, has a deck weight, and vf trellies, never found it short of grip.

Not sure on 6, more headstock problems? Yes needs autoreset.

300 headstock command a fair premium, my budget seems to stretch to a 10 year old kv or 4 year old something else!
 

Foxcover

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I'm scratching around for grip with mine a lot but if I let the tyres down I'm having trouble spinning the rims inside the tyres.

For what I'm doing I'll be back to a standard tractor next time . I really like the fastrac but it's just not good enough especially on the 3m sumo trio

4220?
3 day demo of a 4220 in 2017 with a 3m trio on Holderness clay and I was astounded at how it gripped and pulled.
Lifted the trio like it wasn’t there too.
 

Two Tone

Member
Mixed Farmer
Es auto reset which is what the OP is after.

No way could we work without auto reset
Got ya. I’ve always been a bit confused as to what the letters stand for . My ES is like @Chae1 ’s insofar that it is a true Vari-width moving all furrow widths, including the front furrow and has Auto-reset.

My LS has the same square beam as yours but also doesn’t move the front furrow width hydraulically and is shear bolt.
They can be trouble if you try to move the furrow width under load, which can break the turnover ram top mounting. You can do it, but you must do it slowly or in pulses.
My ES however, uses a completely separate hydraulic serves to alter the furrow width therefore doesn’t try to turn the plough over at the same time as trying to alter the furrow width, if in the ground and under load.

I’ve got a bit of stony /rocky ground which have used my shear bolt LS plough on when my ES broke. It only ever broke one shear bolt in the entire time I have had it!
 

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