Which ex Minister is accused of rape?

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
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Limousin
Cultural change, women are now more aware that there is support for them if they're molested, gone are the days where they just have to "suck it up" and get grabbed, it's a positive change for womens rights.

You get the feeling that Mark Spencer and Rees-Mogg tried to lean on her to drop the whole affair. She first went to them about it 4 months ago, but they subsequently failed to make any enquires or do anything about the allegations..
 
Isn't male on male rape one of the most under reported crimes?

Wasn't there a major case in Manchester recently where the perp. had committed literally hundreds of rapes on men?

That guy was a sicko. Drugged people and raped them. I remember that case. Lots of victims didn't report it. It is possible they were too off their face to know at the time or even remember. I think one guy escaped and contacted the police.
 

delilah

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Well if it's South East then my MP is in the frame. And he has previous for iffy stuff on his computer. And he supports Reading. And he beat me in 3 parliamentary elections. Guilty then.
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
You get the feeling that Mark Spencer and Rees-Mogg tried to lean on her to drop the whole affair. She first went to them about it 4 months ago, but they subsequently failed to make any enquires or do anything about the allegations..
No, I don't, but I have no political axe to grind in re the two mentioned.

If the media reports are true, JRM told her to go straight to the police; that's what I would have advised my own daughter to do, this is a potentially criminal matter and not one for 'internal party discipline'.

As a little more info' is getting through, I am starting to wonder why she chose not to go directly to the police but, instead, to go to the Tory party. What did she expect them to do in such a matter? They can't carry out any legally valid investigation, they can't try a case, they can't prosecute and they can't convict or acquit...
 
No, I don't, but I have no political axe to grind in re the two mentioned.

If the media reports are true, JRM told her to go straight to the police; that's what I would have advised my own daughter to do, this is a potentially criminal matter and not one for 'internal party discipline'.

As a little more info' is getting through, I am starting to wonder why she chose not to go directly to the police but, instead, to go to the Tory party. What did she expect them to do in such a matter? They can't carry out any legally valid investigation, they can't try a case, they can't prosecute and they can't convict or acquit...

I might have gone to the police with my daughter but sat outside the interview room
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
I might have gone to the police with my daughter but sat outside the interview room
Fair comment. It's a truly horrible situation which I hope none of us will ever find ourselves in; but, I hope, I'd do what she wanted and was best for her. Including being by her in interviews and there in Court too if needed.

But I'll be honest and state that, following my own experience as a 'detached' observer, I'd rather not have any involvement with such a matter at all. I know myself and I'm certain that I'd be planning a torturous death for any fellow who raped my girl. And that would be no good to my girl, me, my family or the general cause of 'justice'.

But I think I'd still do it... :(
 

Hindsight

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Lincolnshire
You get the feeling that Mark Spencer and Rees-Mogg tried to lean on her to drop the whole affair. She first went to them about it 4 months ago, but they subsequently failed to make any enquires or do anything about the allegations..

Are Spencer and Mogg not between a rock and hard place. If investigate how far do they go before the media say they are trying to cover up what is a criminal matter which should go to the police. Provided they told the poor person to contact the police and did not attempt or coerce to dissuade from approaching the police. Complex I expect. I tend to concurr with Danillan post 46.
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
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Limousin
No, I don't, but I have no political axe to grind in re the two mentioned.

If the media reports are true, JRM told her to go straight to the police; that's what I would have advised my own daughter to do, this is a potentially criminal matter and not one for 'internal party discipline'.

As a little more info' is getting through, I am starting to wonder why she chose not to go directly to the police but, instead, to go to the Tory party. What did she expect them to do in such a matter? They can't carry out any legally valid investigation, they can't try a case, they can't prosecute and they can't convict or acquit...

As we don't know the content or severity of the accusation so it's difficult to say. But IMO it would be logical to go to your employer in the fist instance which she did. If Rees-Mogg concluded that the offence was so severe as to be potentially criminal, his advice was correct to contact the police. However, he still should have monitored and followed this up with statements etc as a duty of care to employees, not try and brush it under the carpet..
 

Hindsight

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Lincolnshire
As we don't know the content or severity of the accusation so it's difficult to say. But IMO it would be logical to go to your employer in the fist instance which she did. If Rees-Mogg concluded that the offence was so severe as to be potentially criminal, his advice was correct to contact the police. However, he still should have monitored and followed this up with statements etc as a duty of care to employees, not try and brush it under the carpet..

Is there any evidence the Mogg 'tried to brush it under the carpet' - genuine question. I have no axe to grind on this one.
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
As we don't know the content or severity of the accusation so it's difficult to say. But IMO it would be logical to go to your employer in the fist instance which she did. If Rees-Mogg concluded that the offence was so severe as to be potentially criminal, his advice was correct to contact the police. However, he still should have monitored and followed this up with statements etc as a duty of care to employees, not try and brush it under the carpet..
Who's to say he didn't? Had I been in his position I would first have advised her to report it to the police and, secondly, asked if she wished me to inform the Chief Whip and the PM of the matter.

He is in no position to 'monitor' or 'follow up', he's a member of the Government and, so, should keep his nose out of matters concerning the CJS and the Courts. (y)
 

caveman

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East Sussex.
Makes me laugh the nearly all MP's voted that any members who were in trouble with the law, should remain anonymous until charges had been laid, yet we have had many of those same MP's in opposition calling for the fella to be identified by suspension of the whip.
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
Makes me laugh the nearly all MP's voted that any members who were in trouble with the law, should remain anonymous until charges had been laid, yet we have had many of those same MP's in opposition calling for the fella to be identified by suspension of the whip.
Yep, hypocrisy amongst politicians, who'd have thunk it? :cry:
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
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Limousin
Is there any evidence the Mogg 'tried to brush it under the carpet' - genuine question. I have no axe to grind on this one.

I think the only evidence is that they failed to do anything. But some reports say she never even spoke to them and that it was another Tory MP who she confided in who fist brought it to their attention. This was after hearing that she needed hospital treatment after one of the alleged attacks. . Probably pointless speculating until more facts come out.
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
They sure as hell are keeping this one under wraps.Gone very quiet,and completely off the radar.
For all we know it could be someone with an axe to grind after being rejected, or it could be someone who was very badly abused. For either case it would be best to leave the matter to the police and CPS, anything else either jeopardises a possible prosecution or 'condemns' an innocent man - both bad. (y)
 

jendan

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Mixed Farmer
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Northumberland
For all we know it could be someone with an axe to grind after being rejected, or it could be someone who was very badly abused. For either case it would be best to leave the matter to the police and CPS, anything else either jeopardises a possible prosecution or 'condemns' an innocent man - both bad. (y)
Yes,i agree,but its not often the press go so quiet on matters such as this.
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
Yes,i agree,but its not often the press go so quiet on matters such as this.
Which, because they are are bunch of parasitic ars*heads, would infer that there has been a major overstepping of the mark and a lot of crap written about an innocent fellow which they now realise and are stepping back from*; or that they have been told by the CPS that they are jeopardising a prospective prosecution and any more will see an injunction and prosecutions of them... we'll see.




*I forget his name, but not so long ago there was an entirely innocent teacher from Bristol who had to be paid an awful lot of money after he was traduced by the press.
 

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