Which make of HT8/80/22 is best in the long term?

[History Debunked fan]

I'm using octoposts (due to local availability) so hoping for a long term job. It'll be erected by a fencing contractor.

Tornado has been recommended but it's condemned in this thread (albeit from 3.5 years ago):

I thought Clipex was the best thing since sliced bread? Don't tell me you are using Tornado wire now too?!

No I won't use tornado again , it's softer it's getting , I was only talking to a big fencing contractor today who confirmed this. As for clipex it has a place but from a business point , when farmers can get timber that will last 40 yrs that's the way their going .

Pretty sure i said that before, but you wouldn't listen.

Is there any better than Tornado?

On another note why is mild steel plain wire specified in schemes rather than high tensile?

 

[ploughman1963]

We use all tornado on our own and contracting and no complaints. Which schemes are specifying mild steel rather than HT - not come across that

 

[Tubbylew]

Tornado is my preference, estate is all I can get hold of locally in 300m rolls so got to use that. Not a massive fan of tornado torus knot, seems to be the only wire I've had to fiddle about with.

 

[Kevtherev]

Nothing much to beat Tornado the man who dismisses it isn’t worth listening to on that thread.
It’s long lasting and easy to work with.

 

[ploughman1963]

Nothing much to beat Tornado the man who dismisses it isn’t worth listening to on that thread.
It’s long lasting and easy to work with.

I couldnt think of how to phrase exactly what you have eluded to

 

[Y Fan Wen]

I'm using octoposts (due to local availability) so hoping for a long term job. It'll be erected by a fencing contractor.

I'm not sure I can identify Octoposts correctly, but there is a roadside fence done about a year ago with posts that might be described as octagonal and originally a creosote colour and they have been getting steadily whiter and whiter as time passes.

 

[History Debunked fan]

We use all tornado on our own and contracting and no complaints. Which schemes are specifying mild steel rather than HT - not come across that

FG 1, NI Environmental Farming Scheme - mild steel is only specified for plain wire, they're happy with HT netting and barbed.

 

[S J H]

I only use tornado, it wound me up last year when I could buy NZ cheaper but overall they’re a very good firm to work with. I’ve only had a problem with quality a couple of times, and they were always keen to find out why and put it right.

 

[History Debunked fan]

I'm not sure I can identify Octoposts correctly, but there is a roadside fence done about a year ago with posts that might be described as octagonal and originally a creosote colour and they have been getting steadily whiter and whiter as time passes.

You have identified them!

They do unfortunately turn white at various speeds and don't look very good: everyone feel free to speculate why this happens (creosote penetrated well in when you cut them).

 

[tepapa]

No wire manufacturer is perfect but it's how they treat you if there is a problem. That's why tornado is preferred choice by many as they will look into/sort any problems you may have with one of their products.

I'd happily use tornado, estate wire and xfence. I use tornado on a daily basis but would probably prefer to use estate. Estate isn't any better but possibly slightly cheaper.

There's a bigger difference between the knots used.

Hinge joint is condemned as being old fashioned and shite but it's worked for decades without any issue. The "new" xknot/torus/s knot/fixed knot is supposed to be the bees knees. I get that it's really easy to tension the day its installed, as it stands up, but I don't see it having the longevity that hinge joint has proven, as once the knot has moved from its spot it's loose forever more.

 

[tepapa]

You have identified them!

They do unfortunately turn white at various speeds and don't look very good: everyone feel free to speculate why this happens (creosote penetrated well in when you cut them).

Not just octoposts, but they all suck too much creo out of the wood in final stage of treatment. They only want to coat the cell walls not fill the cell with creo. So a lot of posts nowadays will turn white faster then they used to as they don't have as much creo left in the post.

Not to be confused with imported creo as the oil based creo version (not coal tar) will go white very quickly.

 

[james ds]

Nothing much to beat Tornado the man who dismisses it isn’t worth listening to on that thread.
It’s long lasting and easy to work with.

I have used a lot of tornado and estate , we prefer the estate to work with as it stands up far better when pulling , the tornado hinge knots are loose and the wire folds over , we now use all estate and farmers prefer it to tornado now .

 

[DrDunc]

I have used a lot of tornado and estate , we prefer the estate to work with as it stands up far better when pulling , the tornado hinge knots are loose and the wire folds over , we now use all estate and farmers prefer it to tornado now .

Do you reckon your comments are worth listening to yet?

 

[james ds]

Do you reckon your comments are worth listening to yet?

I know the differance in wire and it’s very clear to see when you use both.

 

[Kevtherev]

I know the differance in wire and it’s very clear to see when you use both.

Complete opposite here I find tornado a lot easier to work with than estate.

 

[james ds]

Complete opposite here I find tornado a lot easier to work with than estate.

In what way , as I said the estate stands up far better.

 

[ploughman1963]

FG 1, NI Environmental Farming Scheme - mild steel is only specified for plain wire, they're happy with HT netting and barbed.

Ah ok - didn’t realise we were talking Northern Ireland

 

[History Debunked fan]

Ah ok - didn’t realise we were talking Northern Ireland

I should have been clearer - 4mm mild steel is specified for plain wire in both FG1 (which is / was an option in Countryside Stewardship) and NI Environmental Farming Scheme (schemes starting in 2023).

 

[james ds]

Complete opposite here I find tornado a lot easier to work with than estate.

Tornado is easier to work with , it is easier to cut and it’s easier to tie off , but why , because it’s softer steel than what is used in estate wire.

 

[tepapa]

I should have been clearer - 4mm mild steel is specified for plain wire in both FG1 (which is / was an option in Countryside Stewardship) and NI Environmental Farming Scheme (schemes starting in 2023).

That's the latest English FG1 spec published Jan 23.
2.5mm plain HT wire allowed.